Mangalore crash: Captain Ignored Co-pilot's Plea to Abort Landing


Mangalore crash: Captain Ignored Co-pilot's Plea to Abort Landing

by Saurabh Sinha - Times of India

New Delhi, May 31: The horrific Air India Express crash in Mangalore on May 22 that killed 158 people could have possibly been averted had the expat commander heeded his Indian co-pilot's advice. Records of the conversation between the pilots and ATC has shown that co-pilot H S Ahluwalia more than once urged Captain Zlatko Glusica not to land and instead go around.

Importantly, Ahluwalia's warning had come well before the aircraft had descended below decision height - the critical level at or before which a final decision on whether to land or go around is to be taken - said highly placed sources. Ahluwalia, who was based in Mangalore and had landed there 66 times, voiced his concern when the aircraft was about 800 feet high, they added.

"Ahluwalia warned at least twice against landing and urged his commander to go around. He had probably realized the aircraft was either too fast or too high on approach - indicating unstable approach - and would not be able to stop safely on the table-top Mangalore runway. In such situations, going around is a standard operating procedure which enables the aircraft to land safely in second attempt," said a source at ATC. The aircraft (IX 812) was coming from Dubai.

But the warning went in vain and the aircraft did not go around. It landed, only to crash and fall off the cliff from this table-top runway. The latest revelation only confirms Ahluwalia's excellent knowledge of the local runway condition. The co-pilot lived in the city. He was due for commandership later in May.

The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) has guidelines for cockpit resource management (CRM) that makes it mandatory for commanders to listen to their comparatively less experienced co-pilots as they may also have something valid to say. According to industry sources, CRM training is very strong in Jet Airways, where Ahluwalia had served earlier. "This is the backbone of Jet and this training would have made Ahluwalia call out very strongly," said sources.

Authorities are now pinning their hopes on details from the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (black box) to know what exactly transpired inside the cockpit in the final moments. More importantly, they now want to know what made Ahluwalia give the warning for a go-around and why the commander did still went ahead to land. But the CVR and black box have got substantially damaged and may have to be sent to the manufacturer (Boeing) in US for decoding.

The Boeing 737-800 touched down after overshooting 2,000 feet of the 8,000-feet-long runway. The second error followed seconds later.

Sources said preliminary probe is indicating that the crew realized they may not be able to stop in the remaining airstrip and attempted to take off again. But it was too late by then. A Boeing 737-800 can stop in 4,500-5,000 feet. The Mangalore runway is 8,000 feet long and even if the pilots had overshot the touchdown point by 2,000 feet, there was enough length left to stop.

"Initial observations reveal the pilots may have attempted to take off again," a source said.

Meanwhile, the aviation ministry has decided to extend Mangalore runway's length by 1,000 feet.

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  • nihal hussain, mangalore

    Fri, Jul 23 2010

    i appreciate the comment of nancy,usa.... v cant blame anyone in the crew... ALL IS UNFORTUNATE

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  • Jacinta, Dubai

    Thu, Jun 10 2010

    Please stop passing comments. request you all to pray for the dead souls and to give courage to the families to bear the losses of their dear ones. its destiny. May all the departed souls rest in peace. Amen.

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  • SANTHOSH VINCENT AGERA, MANGALORE, VAMANJOOR.

    Sat, Jun 5 2010

    ACCORDING TO SOURCES " RECORDS OF THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PILOTS AND ATC HAS SHOWN THAT CO-PILOT H.S.AHLUWALIA MORE THAN ONCE URGED CAPTAIN ZLATKO GLUCIA NOT TO LAND & INSTEAD GO AROUND. FROM WHICH SOURCES THEY GOT THIS INFORMATION IS IT FROM BLACK BOX OR ATC. IF IT IS FROM ATC WHY ATC DIDN'T WARNED CAPTAIN TO GO AROUND. IF IT IS TRUE, UNBELIEVABLE, RIDICULOUS, AMAZING, AND SHAME ON US THAT ONE FOREIGNER CAPTAIN RULED OVER INDIAN EXPERIENCED CO-PILOT AND ATC, INDIAN FLEET, INDIAN CREW, AND MOST OF INDIAN PASSENGERS, AND ON INDIAN TERRITORY. OR IS IT FINGER CROSS THAT TRYING TO DIVERT TOPIC. WHAT ABOUT AIR TRAFIC CONTROLLER ? ON DUTY PERSONAL SKILLED ? WHAT ABOUT CO-ORDINATION ? WHAT LEVEL CO-ORDINATION CARRIED OUT ? IF ATC FOUND PILOT OVERSHOT RUNWAY DO WE HAVE RECORDED PROOF THAT ATC WARNED PILOT THAT YOU OVERSHOOTED RUNWAY AND ADVICED FOR FURTHER ACTION.

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  • dinesh, AHD/IXE

    Fri, Jun 4 2010

    I don't Feel hiring Foreign Pilots is a problem, we have seen indian pilots flying with European carriers, and vice versa , the point here is do the piolts hired have a good communication skills to understand the language or to what is going to happen? and to take a decision.
    who takes the decision in an Emergency situvation pilot or co-pilot? all these questions rises,
    i personally feel there should be a high command on the flight, a descion maker?

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  • Rajesh S.Vartak, Mangalore

    Thu, Jun 3 2010

    Please don't make this a comparison between AI/IC and private airlines or make it a AI bashing opportunity. Stick to the facts only!!

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  • Frederick Pinto, Shirva

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    Captain(Pilot) and co-Pilot always share flying and other duties such as communicating with air traffic controllers and monitering the instruments and systems. Once captain and co-pilot enter the cockpit usually alternate flying each leg from takeoff to landing. The Captain is the final decision maker during the board(flight), but most of the airlines the tasks associated with preparing the cockpit for departure and landing are mostly shared. Takeoff and landing are the most difficult parts of the flight and require close co ordinating between the pilot and co-pilot. Some airlines, only the captain can taxi the airplane. Also runway must increase as much as another 2000 ft for wide body aircraft such as the airbus A330 or boeing 747 for future purpose and incase when pilots misjudged the landing distance or overshoot the runway pilot can bring the flight under control.

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  • princess, mangalore

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    I was wondering ,why ILS is not being or is used at bajpe ,and 1000 feet extension of runway is a farce,. a 737-800 can easily land within 4500 ft. and current runway is 8000 ft ,you need not to be an rocket engineer ,to know that a 1000 ft extension not warranted ,so every time an accident occurs if you keep on extending,....?

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  • mansoor, mangalore

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    ON THE CRASH DAY I HAVE POSTED A COMMENT THAT THE RIGHT PERSON AND EYE WITNESS WHO IS STILL ALIVE IS AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER. THE VOICE BETWEEN HIMSELF AND FIRST OFFICER(CO-PILOT) AND CAPTAIN IS RECORDED. ATC IS THE LIVE WITNESS AND HE SHOULD BE QUESTIONED FIRST BEFORE ALL THE SPECULATION. NOW ALL IF, BUT ALL ARE HISTORY. WE CANNOT GIVE 158 LIFES BACK THE ONE WHO LOST THEIR LOVED ONES ARE STILL SHREDDING TEARS. 800 FEET GROUND LEVEL CAPTAIN STILL CAN ABORT LANDING AND CAN GO AROUND AND TRY SECOND ATTEMPT OF LANDING AND HE IS AN EXPERIENCED CAPTAIN.

    IF YOU ALL REMEMBER GULF AIR GF73 FROM CAIRO TO BAHRAIN CRASH LANDED TO SEA KILLED ALL 140 AROUND 8 YEARS AGO WAS THE SAME MISTAKE. CAPTAIN MISSED HIS APPROACH, TRIED TWICE AND ON THE THIRD ATTEMPT MISSED RUNWAY APPROACH AND LANDED INTO SEA KILLING ALL ONBOARD.. SAME HAPPNED TO IX812..A MEMORABLE DAY FOR EACH AND EVERY MANGALOREAN AND EVERY INDIAN CITIZEN!!!!!

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  • K.B.MATHUR, NOIDA

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    It took lot of time to locate the Black Box and Cockpit Voice Recorder in case of Mangalore crash .Is it possible to instal some device inside the Black Box and Cockpit Voice Recorder which will emit radio signals which can be picked up .

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  • christine, mangalore/kuwait

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    I agree with Faroo, Jubail, K.S.A and shailu g,
    May this is the reason of the season to blame pilot. If the will of God was not there to the death of the people on the flight than god was saving how ever may it was hit the ground or fire or crash... so may be any wise person hand also it can happen like this
    Who had life that few saved from that too
    God was creator and controller of everyone. He knows our time was birth and depart. That he had chosen in his will for all. No one is for ever here. When time come all has to leave this world

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  • wilson, mangalore

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    The Black Box is supposed to be strong and withstand worse conditions than this. How is it damaged? Hope somebody has not tried to fiddle with it?

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  • Saji Scaria, Kasargod

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    My friend,
    What is highly confidential in India? Do you know that hackers were able to intrude in our Defence secrets few months ago?

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  • Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    Dear Qurram Hyd...Thank you. Dear Charles D'Mello, Pls read my earlier comment where I mentioned why Indian Pilots are better. You may change your view after reading.

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  • Charles D'Mello, Pangala

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    It is not correct to say Indian Pilots are superior than foreign. Bottomline is no pilot wants make a accident and die. It is a human error and in case of pilots, they have less time (infact no time) to correct their mistakes.

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  • Roshan Braganza, Udyavara

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    CVR found a week ago and now the details are streaming out. Looks bit strange. After this unfortunate incident , there were a lot of talk about pilot's and other officials but not a single word about Air traffic controller . We even dont the name of ATC who is in charge on that day . Now suddenly they started to reveal CVR recordings. As both pilots are dead , make them scape goat and say ' Ego clash resultes in crash ". Untill the unbiased and honest investigation is done , nothing will come out. Itz easily understood that two class pilots will never allow the ego to come in betwean their professionalism. I think DGCA is fooling everybody....

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  • Vikram, Kundapura/Dubai

    Tue, Jun 1 2010

    As I guess, the flight speed was more than normal limit while landing so Mr.Ahluwalia feared it would explode so he keep warning to Pilot, But Mr.Glusica's plan was to land some away distance from original landing spot to control the speed...unfortunately all have gone wrong...

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  • Amreen, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Probably its wrong to say that foreign pilots should not be recruited. Lets recall the world's deadliest mid-air collision in 1996 Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision involving Saudia Flight 763 and Air Kazakhstan Flight 1907 over Haryana, India. The crash was mainly the result of the Kazakh pilot (again Russian!) flying lower than the altitude for which his aircraft was given clearance. Three hundred and forty-nine passengers and crew died from both aircraft. But are these Russian pilots famous for NOT listening?

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  • Saji, Kasargod

    Mon, May 31 2010

    It looks like the Captain had Ego issues with his Co-pilot! Otherwise if Ahluwalia had issued a warning then why he took it easily?

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  • Vicky, Udupi / Dubai

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Please refrain from baseless allegations and speculations. While the report says that voice recorder may be damages, people are pretending to have access to this 'highly confidential' data source and alleging that there was even a rift between th ecaptain an dco-pilot. Such irresponsible reports should be condemned. It is an act fantasy on the part of 'uneducated' readers with least respect to the deceased.

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  • shailu g,

    Mon, May 31 2010

    we cannot blame any human or the place. Everything is depend on the time. if the pilot had the plenty of experience or if runway expands to 8000 to 25000 also some time it can happen.human cannot control the nature.

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  • akyar mulla, shiruru / Dubai

    Mon, May 31 2010

    AIR INDIA. If it is human error, as it is evident here, crash can happen in any runway equipped with state of art technology and equipments. Pilots need to be trained and re trained in avoiding human errors and averting such unwanted accidents.

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  • nazeera mohi, mangalore/al ain

    Mon, May 31 2010

    India is placed 5th in the world in ranking of technological countries, no small achievement, imagine what we can do with technology. We have enough and more manpower too. All we need to do is apply ourselves ,get ourselves working, throw away our lazy mentality, have a strong political will, and have a positive mass psychology. Come on INDIA wake up!never too late. there is room for improvements and room for everyone. let us be united and create a better india. GENERATION NEXT ARE YOU LISTENING?

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  • Faroo, Jubail, K.S.A

    Mon, May 31 2010

    I will say only one thing, its Gods wish, we cannot stop the death if the god written death on their head. So, no need to blame anybody.

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  • Hamdan, Katapady / Dubai

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Because of one's mistake, so many people has to pay.

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  • gurram, hyderabad

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah
    -
    you seem to be very intelligent , can make out from your comments always

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  • MOMIN ILYAS shiruri., SHIRUR/AL- JUBAIL.K S A

    Mon, May 31 2010

    I totaly agree with you mr Ramesh baliga. Airport athorities should install cctv system for around the runway to check landing and take off to avoid the same in future.

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  • eliza pais, mumbai

    Mon, May 31 2010

    If manglore has a beautiful place and such a big space why our minister is not thing for the safety of our indian people who work for there family I also pray for all the family who lost there near and dear ones what feeling they may be going through when they in the plane they came near the door but didnt come inside so sad May the soul rest in peace Amen.

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  • Austin Santhosh, Haleangadi/Bahrain

    Mon, May 31 2010

    I do not agree with the arguement of Indian/foreign pilot. We have all Indian (Mangalorean) Bus Drivers in Mangalore and still we have daily accidents in NH17.

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Mon, May 31 2010

    One survived passenger stated that the doomed plane was landing in a higher speed. High speed landing might have caused the plane to off shot the runway, and the damaged wing destroyed the hydraulic system so that the flap and brake system might have been out of operation.

    Modern aircrafts have all the tools to have safe operation,  but if the captain is careless to
    control the flight and made wrong and reckless decision due to their arrogant and stupid nature
    then there is no soulution to  plane crashes.

    Even though instrumental landing is the norm today however, even today visual obervation of the pilot play a key role in avoiding catastrophic landing and take off. Many close to call crashed were averted by the timely actions of the pilots, and  they could do that due to their  keen visual observation of the pilots.

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  • Nancy, USA

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Are you guys are saying each and every plaines landing in Mangalore Airport should have Indian Pilots? In such case I suggest that we should have only Indian made flights.

    Thousands of flights flying around the world without any accidents. Mangalore plane crash is unfortunate. Perhaps, the co-pilots warning at the last moment confused the Pilot and he started taking off again. We cannot just blame the Pilot because he happened to be a foreigner. The Plane itself is a foreign product to India. There is no such thing as good Pilot or Bad Pilot. They are all trained Pilots. Any mistakes are unfortunate.

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  • iftu, saudi arabia

    Mon, May 31 2010

    well said mr Melroy, Dubai

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  • Melroy, Dubai

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Its too early to blame here to any party. Even reliable sources confirmed in a runway of 8000 feet if a pilot over shoots 2000 feet still a plane can be safely towed. We are less equipped by all means,if there would be a helicopter and trained fire fighters with fire suits many life would have been saved by airlifting the passengers with the help of rope ladders to the safety. Our Fire figters litterally tried to extinquish the fire and no effort of life saving was made though passengers were alive inside.Its very sad to note 2 rich districts Mangalore and Udupi but we dont have a helicopter for emergency. I am afraid even we had one our politicians would have used it for going to market!!

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  • ISMAIL K PERINJE, PERINJE/YANBU-KSA

    Mon, May 31 2010

    IT IS STILL TIME IS NOT RIPE TO SPECUELATE THE REASON FOR THE CRASH.WAIT FOR THE FULL INVESTIGATION INCLUDING BLACK BOX'S CONTENT AND THEN ONE CAN COME TO THE CONCLUSION.I THINK IT HAS PACKAGES OF SHORTCOMING/MISTAKES THAT LEAD TO CRASH INCLUDING TABLE TOP AIRPORT SITUATION IN BAJAPE.

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  • Tony Pinto, Manglore

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Anna, moodbidri you have not lost your loved one keep advise with you but AIRPORT should be shifted from this TABLE TOP RUNWAY to FLAT TOP RUNWAY. This is clear seen politically between two TULUNAD REGION KUDLA / UDUPI.....why they require only in BAJPE what about govt sanction land of PADUBIDHRI seems all MLA houses standing in this plot need to INVESTIGATE.

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  • Ahmed, Mangalore / Doha

    Mon, May 31 2010

    With due respect to both the professional pilots, one of the reasons for the crashes all over the world is human error. Shahnavaz Bhai, 99% of accidents due to human factor is a overstatement. There are many other faults too. Technical fault, birds hitting the engine, weather, airport conditions and so on. We can never deny that attempt was made till the last moment to save the aircraft by the pilots. The report is only provided by Air India. Who knows how accurate their information is and what really was the conversation cannot be judged until it is open in public. One more noticeable thing is when we have so many Indian Pilots, why are we still bent upon hiring the expat pilots?

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  • Anil Pinto, Mumbai/Abu Dhabi

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Once again this brings the issue of the location of the Airport in the limelight. Had the airport been located on flat plateau the aircraft would have at most ploughed though but come to a halt. Its no use blaming anyone now - Pilot errors can occur - and will always occur - however what measures are being taken to mitigate these errors ? This should include a number of factors namely, more systemic improvements (such as landing policies, giving more authority to co-pilots, changing the culture in the cockpit etc.) , also location of airports are very important in mitigating the incidence of such disasters - there is some serious thinking which our Airline industry and government should engage in .

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  • Siva Avadani , Manipal / Dubai

    Mon, May 31 2010

    This report is not complete. I heard in the news that the main pilot over shot the runway for which co-pilot commented twice to go round and take second chance, but the main pilot not responded and landed the flight, the moment the flight touched the ground co - pilot pulled the thwarter to take off.

    Even main pilot over shot the runway about 2000 feet it is enough distance to halt the plane, but by trying to take off by the co pilot is like one is braking and other is accellerating. Its totally a mis understanding in that case may be. Well the confirm report yet to come.

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  • shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi

    Mon, May 31 2010

    In 99% of accidents and mishappenings across globe is attributed to the human error factor. Just because of ones mistake hundreds have to lose their lives. As per the report, the pilot descended at a higher speed and the co pilot was concerned and advised the captain to abort landing and go around, but the pilot was adament and misjudged his colleagues judgement and took chance, thereby killing himself and other 157 on board.

    Very sad indeed and mangalore shall never forget this tragedy.

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  • Oliver, Bejai / AUH

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Dear chicca, mumbai/mang/kuwait...

    The same as you are in Kuwait & I'm here in AUH, for the Money!!! or are you serving for free?

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  • EDWARD, MANGALORE

    Mon, May 31 2010

    I FULLY AGREE WITH ALL COMMENTS. ALL OF US KNOW THAT IT IS 100% COMMANDING PILOT ERROR, WHEN CO-PILOT INFORMED TO GO-A-ROUND INSTEAD OF LANDING, THE DEVIL IS IN THE MIND OF Zlatko Glusica. EVEN THOUGH THE WELL EXPERIENCED co-pilot H S Ahluwalia KNOWS THAT GLUSICA IS MAKING HUMAN ERROR & ADVISED HIM TO ABORT LANDING AND START A PROCEEDURE OF GO-AROUND, WHICH IS SUPPOSE TO DONE. EVEN THEN HE OVERSHOOT THE PLANE ABOUT 2000FT ON RUNWAY, THEN ALSO HE COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED THE PLANE AT RUNWAY, AGAIN DEVIL (LUCIFER) IN MIND TRIED TO MAKE 2ND BIG MISTAKE TO TRY TAKE-OFF AND AT THE END ITS WING HIT THE FENCE & THEN WHAT HAPPENED ALL OF US KNOW. BY THIS SIMPLE 2 ERRORS, WE LOST 158 LIVES, WHAT A GREAT TRAGEDY. LET US ALL PRAY FOR THEIR SOUL. AS WE ALL MENTIONED EARLIER, PILOTS NEEDED PROPER TRAINING, Aviation Ministry should review its current policy and make it mandatory to employ only Indian Pilots in the domestic and South East Asian and middle east routes who are familiar with the Indian Airports, their geogriphical locations, weather conditions and safety norms.

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  • HENRY MISQUITH, BAHRAIN

    Mon, May 31 2010

    THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FOREIGN PILOTS WHO THINK THEY ARE SUPERIOR THAN THEIR INDIAN COUNTERPARTS WHICH LED TO LOSS OF SO MANY PRECIOUS LIVES.

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  • Bulsam, Mangalore

    Mon, May 31 2010

    It shows that the captain failed to reduce the speed of the aircraft hence the co-pilot urged the Capt. to abort the landing which he did little too late. By then the aircraft had touched down off 2000ft and busted the tyre, lost balance and the left wing hit the ILS. The aircraft violently shot off from the left of the runway hitting everything on its way and nose dived to the road below where it broke into pieces, caught fire and jumped the road. At this crucial moment the luck few thrown off as well as escaped and minutes later the plane exploded with a ball of fire engulfing the cabin. The later unfortunate five minutes were one of the most horrible times for the dead.

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  • anna, moodbidri

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Without knowing what went wrong all blame game started to point out on "table top" runway. some suggested to shift it to their convinience never thinking it might be pilot's mistake.we need something or some reason to blame or argue or gossip.everywhere and for everything we can easily find our own reasons for justification.need to grow and be realistic.

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  • Gilson, Mangalore

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Speeding and no orbital movement around the airport is well understood to be one of the causes.

    Safety was ignored as usual which is demonstrated by the over-shoot of touch-down point.

    Pilot whether Indian or foreigner does not make much difference. It is the reaction/instinct matters a lot. Pilot without fatigue and if is able to judge the mistake and correct it at the error spot would save lives. We had cases where pilot/air-stewardess fighting etc in the cockpit.

    Air-India or any other airlines abroad can not stop recruting expats. It has multifold returns, such as - In case of strike, expatriates would still run the industry. A 12 to 20 Crore loass per day due to strike shows how worse te industry can perform. Also, knowledge exchange is crucial for one and all the pilots.

    If everyone has a thinking that foreigner should not be recruited for pilot post in our land, then most of the expatriates who are abroad and commenting here should justify why are they abroad. No need to be selfish.

    In this global economy, there is no barrier for race, creed and nationality. We should still understand that India is still not self-dependent in terms of technology.

    Our aircrafts with few tens of years of experience still suffers from quality. Our own cryogenic engine after 20 years of RnD has failed in the form of Agni-3 and that is why Russian engines are needed for our rockets.

    Now the question is 1000 ft justifies airborne errors ?

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  • Aadil Khan, Kasaragod/Saudi Arabia

    Mon, May 31 2010

    In conclusion the egotic pilot did not want to give attention to his subordinate. At the bargain of pride and ego, over 150 lives were lost. Over ninety per cent people had this in mind soon after the crash that it was Pilot's error and now it is proved. Aviation Ministry should review its current policy and make it mandatory to employ only Indian Pilots in the domestic and South East Asian and middle east routes who are familiar with the Indian Airports, their geogriphical locations, weather conditions and safety norms.

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  • shabeer, kasaragod

    Mon, May 31 2010

    feel bad about pilot

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  • Santhosh Bhandary, surathkal/Dubai

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Moral of the story is, we should have our own Indian pilots for our domestic flights. Only Indian pilots are familiar with our climatic and geographical conditions and also are sensitive to the Indian needs. It is high time we provide better facilities and better working conditions to Indian pilots to stop them from going abroad towards greener pastures. It is common knowledge that Indian pilots are poorly paid comapared to their counterparts in developed countries and also are overworked. It is high time that the govt. looks into these aspects on priority. Its always better to be pro-active than re-active.

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  • Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

    Mon, May 31 2010

    I mentioned in Reader's comments when plane crashed in M'lore that Indian Pilots are brave and NO CRASH took in the world because of Indian Pilot's mistake.(To the best of my knowledge no CRASH in 15 years).Now the rercords of convesation is proving my opinion to be right.Foreign countries are hiring Indian pilots by paying very high salary.We prefer low budge pilots,low budget air lines..and finally this result.India lost intelligent Co-Pilot Ahluwalia at the cost of foreign Pilot's mistake.One more point is that EGO played main role here . Chief Pilot's ego was hurt when Co Pilot gave him danger warning.

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  • Steve, Kuwait

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Though it looked like a Pilot error from early on, I strongly suggest Boeng Co. to confirm such an important issue. Otherwise again blame game will start. Whether the Indian pilot or expat pilot. We are already experiencing similar situation in few things happened after crash.

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  • Mohammed, UAE

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Following actions to be taken on priority
    - check from black box history how this pilot was landing during his last landing to mangalore airport. He might have done same thing earlier but somehow he managed to land and take off. It is very important to know the history and study them so that it can be guidelines to other pilots too.
    - Install CCTV camera in the airport which can catch both landing and takeoff.
    - Balck box information needs to be studies once in every month to know the performance of pilot, this should be included in the training. It is unworthy to check the black box information after the accident.
    - Install necessary fire extinguishers near or just below the end point of landing runway, so that it can be used effectively in case if some tragedy happens.
    - Extension of 1000 ft runway should be constructed and they should put soil in the end of the overshoot area to stop such tragedy occurrence

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  • STALIN MISQUITH, BAHRAIN

    Mon, May 31 2010

    NOW NO USE ...RAATH GAYI BAATH GAYI.

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  • chicca, mumbai/mang/kuwait

    Mon, May 31 2010

    When we have talented well trained Indian pilots why do we need a foriegn commander to play with our lives. i salute captain Ahluwalia.

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  • Naramani, Barbados

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Another speculation. Well planned to ensure it is the pilot error, a foreigner’s mistake.
    Surprisingly even the black box is not reliable to what had been heard so far. Decoding by the manufacturer, enough room for tampering/manipulation?? LET’S FORGET THE PAST. We have lost them already, who should have a great time with the family and friends but its up to God who decides what next.

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  • chicca, mumbai/mang/kuwait

    Mon, May 31 2010

    When we have talented well trained Indian pilots why do we need a foriegn commander to play with our lives. i salute captain Ahluwalia.

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  • shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Now please dont blame the runway or the airport officials. Dont blame the insititution of AIR INDIA. If it is human error, as it is evident here, crash can happen in any runway equipped with state of art technology and equipments. Pilots need to be trained and re trained in avoiding human errors and averting such unwanted accidents.

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  • Walter Vaz, Mangalore/Germany

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Why does our civil avaition minister waits till a plane-crash
    occurs and then decides to extend the length of the runway. I would be intrested to know what it would cost to extend the runway by 1000 ft and what it costs for the ministers inaugral ceremony(new terminal). Important to know if the local authorities have aproached the civil avaition ministry for this vital extension or this has only been considered after the tragic plane-crash. If this should have been the case then these concerned officers should be sacked. So many innocent people have lost their lives only because of the negligency.

    Walter Vaz/Germany

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  • Kareem Kalmata, Riyadh/KSA Bandiyodu

    Mon, May 31 2010

    as per daijiworld report its very clear that this horrific tragedy caused by mere ignorance and under estimation of his colleague.

    in professional world no one should under estimate ad ignore his own colleagues/sub rdinates ideas , visions and suggestion even though he/she is is less experienced .

    we have two ears to listen and mouth to talk and react .. listen more talk/act less


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  • zuheb, dubai

    Mon, May 31 2010

    this is what happening with al the co pilots around the world. even same happend in KLM boeing 747 and PANAM flight crashed many years before due to urgue between captain and co-pilot,

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  • DEEPAK DSILVA, PALADKA

    Mon, May 31 2010

    Dear Mr.Praful Patel,
    Need complete investigation ASAP.Everything should be open for public. Innocent lives are taken away by a wrong decision. No excuse. Complete report is needed.

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  • Ramesh Baliga, Mangalore/Mangalore

    Mon, May 31 2010

    I wonder why airports do not install a camera which records the take offs and landings of all the aircrafts.? if installed these video clippings would have given the vital clues..

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