While Nirmala centre is doing great charity helping out the kids it is imperative they maintain records otherwise who is say if some kid was forcefully taken away from its poor mother or kidnapped .I can understand Claudia frustration in this regard
All these people who are talking saying things like "She should be thankful for getting a new life,so how dare she goes on and files a case against the nirmala social fare", "SHAME ON YOU!" How do you know that she is NOT thankful...How can you judge a person like this? To know one's parents is the most fundamental part of a humans identity. Its not about being ungrateful. Extremely limited way of thinking of some people here. Think before you write
Dear Claudia, Do remember that you were abandoned by your biological mother and you are surviving today only because the sisters of Nirmala Convent took care of you. Your should thank Nirmala Convent for your existence today. Imagine the plight of an abandoned infant if not protected and sheltered by the sisters of Nirmala Convent. I understand what you are going thru' and why are trying to trace your biological mother. But not at the cost of troubling people to whom you owe your life. There are so many kids/infants like you who have been taken care of by the sisters and given proper, normal life. Just because, they couldn't maintain records (which is 35 years old) doesn't make them bad. They are doing a phenomenal job by giving lives to infants and also brightening the lives of adoptive parents. Because of your selfishness, you are trying to stop all the good deeds that they have been doing. Also, try to understand the situation and condition of biological mother at that time of giving you away. It is not easy for any mother to give away her kid. But, she did it only to protect you. Now you are upto troubling her as well.Forget everything..... Go lead a happy life. And be thankful to the sisters of Nirmal convent. Because of them, you are probably alive today.
It is with dismay that I read this article.I know i am a little late in commenting, but I was happy to read so many comments in favour of Nirmala Centre. We have adopted two children from Nirmala Centre in the 90s and I wish to state that the entire process was done with such sensitivity and love that we went from there with a beautiful feeling that kept bringing us there every year with our children, on all the important events of their lives. We are ever grateful to the Superior and sisters of Nirmala who helped us make our lives and family complete. Never once did the question of money arise during the adoption process and everything was well documented. My children have grown to be fine young individuals who are fully aware of their birth status, but have never made an issue of it. While I agree that we may never understand what Claudia and other adoptive children undergo, I think Claudia should also think of the biological parents who might have their own reasons for secrecy.Claudia, I wish you would put yourself in the place of some of the women who were brave enough to save the life of their unborn child against all odds and say a prayer for them, thanking them for their courage, because their strength ensured a life saved and a family completed for many of us who longed for the gift of a child.Daijiworld, I wish you would also take the trouble to do an article on the good work done by these sisters of charity, Nirmala Centre and how the closure of this adoption agency has affected so many families for whom they stood out as a beacon of hope.I salute them and I want them to know that my family and many other families who have been blessed by their mission will always be with them.
Mr. KudkeyNayak, better you study the supreme court judgement on adoption. For your information the adoption fees is decided by the government not by Nirmal sisters or anybody else. Without knowing the fact don't comment. if they wanted to make money they would have enjoyed family life like you they would not have come to the convent and serve the neglected.
Claudia....a child's parents are not who give birth to the child but those who bring up the child with all the hardship and troubles.
Hilda i agree with you.
Dear Claudia, because of your selfishness hundreds of babies are on the road, gutter, and bushes. Because the doors of nirmala convents are closed. Be grateful for giving you life and saved your life and try to save others life than destroy the life of other. God will not reward you for your search. Keep in mind these words when your biological mother wanted to destroy you sisters have given you life. But you have longing to the the wanted to destroy you than to those who saved your life. Please think over this ..
Absolutely right clara she made other orphan/Abandoned child also die on the road atleast nirmala convent would have given life to those you stolen that from them do you think you will be forgiven by god you made them to stop their good work for your selfishness.keep search your biological parents but dont disturb others life.
Claudia trying to find her roots is fine. But trying to lodge complaint agains the Nirmala convent is something I couldn't digest. Here many people have give up their kids due to various reasons. May be widowed young who cannot take their kids with them or very many reason. One thing is for sure that no mother will give up her child unless they are absolutely sure that they cannot take care of them. Now in the worst case if Claudia finds out that she is a product of illegal alliance, what will be her situation. So I ask her to accept her fate. Her roots are Mangalorian should be enough. And her mother might have abondoned her in some extreem situation instead of flashing in the toilet or leaving her in the Jungle or in a dust bin. Thank God and praise God for the gift of life.
This is so wrong, why would any sane person register a case against those very CHARITIES that saved them from maybe either BEGGING ON THE STREET somewhere in India, or other worse life. She is so lucky to have been adopted into such a loving family (of which photographs are proof) Instead of being grateful and counting blessings this woman is giving this pathetic reward to these poor charities. I feel sorry for the other infants in need today, looking for safe shelter and maybe unable to get in due to this thoughtless action by Claudia.Sealing records of birth can very well have been on the request of the Birth Mother and could've also been a legal requirement. Why should charities suffer for doing something good?These Charities are already running on very limited funds, how are they going to manage a legal battle?Extremely Ungrateful person !!!
It is sad to know that today the sisters of Nirmala convent have to face such a painful situation for the good they do in providing the good and bright future for so many little ones. 'Sisters of Charity' being ture to thir name after the example of Christ have given life to so many, and many with gratitude turn back towards them. May the Lord help them to carry on thier mission so present Jesus to the world.Life is the best give God has given to appritiated and recognize the unseen hand of God even in the diverse circumstances of ones life.May God bless the Hard work of Nirmala welfare center
Dear Claudia, Nirmala Welfare Centre has given you new life.like amother and you have a bright future.The adoptive parents have reached you to a right track. Please carry on your carrier and be happy and make others happy. Let go the past. Look forward to make your love fruitful in serice.
Dear Claudia: ("Claudia who is a laborial dentist worked for ten years at Siemens AG, but due to the adoption trauma she had to quit her job and has not been able to lead a normal life). Since then you are looking to find your mother and the real circumstances that led to your abandonment. You say ("as an adopted person I often feel rootless, as if I don’t belong anywhere") You know your roots: ("her mother Cecilia Pinto, whose name she says is mentioned in the records of her baptism at Nirmala Convent Chapel in Mangalore"). After reading most of the comments here, my sincere suggestion to you is please give your contact phone number on this daijiworld portal. Your mother or some one who knows her may contact you and or your mother privately without any body else involved. You quit your job after ten years due to adoption trauma, just imagine how old your mother was when she had you but obviously concerned enough under whatever circumstances (only she would know)to give you away to the most trusted people on this planet "the sisters". ("I want to know if mine was an illegal adoption")does it really matter? Now you are 37, a dentist, free to travel anywhere with freedom to work or quit job. Are you up to punishing your mother or the nuns for not being able to lead a normal life? Of course you may get many calls but if it is meant to be the re-union, will happen, have faith (“Blood is thicker than water”). Hope you will be reunited with both your biological mother and father and lead a happy normal life. Best of luck & best wishes.Sincere wellwisher.
Dear Claudia, I can understand ur concern, but complaining against NIRMALA convent is not appreciated. They have given u a new life. Go and thank them. If they had not given, just imagine where u had been. Forget the past and be happy in ur life and only pray for the well being of ur biological family. Don't waste ur time and career. If ur financially sound u also adopt someone who is need and give them life. God bless.
I think claudia is life miserable of pinto's living in mangalore because yesterday i went novena where in sermon one of the priest said she called him also to inquiry about her(Cecilia Pinto)biological mother all pinto's may be it will be a night mare from this lady,instead of calling all pinto i suggest her give her childhood photograph to all print media and elecronic media that her biological mother see and come to hug her.
Hallo Mr.mangalorean christian( come out with real name) All irene pinto are not her biological mothers she looking for Cecilia Pinto you are confusing her as well as you also. please read carefully article before commenting.
This is not the first story.... We could tell that it is our KARMA... A shame to India.It is told that "Adopted by German Couple...". A baby born in India and with all attributes of this land is PERMITTED to adopt by people of another country with different attributes. Adoption is OK within particular region. Who and how those were able to PERMIT should be enquired. Of course those couple might have done a good job of raising an "unknown" baby. Those couple should face the trouble of their "Daughter-OFF-Law" who not gave trouble to adopt and made a funny idea of carrying a "baby catch" all the way to Germany.It is our shame that what is going on to our babies. If the baby is born by illegal marriage possibility of betraying the baby is still common. How to convince Claudia that this is India and not German where records can be well kept. Now those so called parents should face it. No way...
Claudia,Its shameful to hear that you filed police complaints against the persons who took care of you ..NIRMALA CONVENT.and given a new life. Hence I say withdraw the case against sisters and allow them to live in peace. Then you too will live in peace
Dear Claudia,you are a Precious gift of God a loving child of God.God loves u and takes care of u always .From the beginning to till now He has not left a single moment He is constantly beside u.from the birth He loved u,if not your biological Mom would have killed u in her womb itself.She was unable to look after u but she gave u to the safer hands,sisters took care of you thought of your future and given u to the good parents.Today if u are in great position because of sisters and you have a Bright future.Live in the present and enjoy it fully.Past is gone u can never go back to it once again and whatever has happen in your life its for your good and God is beside u.You were suppose to live a poor life but God has given u in abundance,so don't regret for what has happened.Stop searching what u can never get. be happy u have good parents,a home to live in and a good position enjoy your present moment,u will never get it back once again.Pause and reflect for a while this will do great difference in your life.All the best.
Dear Claudia,Life is only once enjoy it to the full.I really appreciate the courage of your Biological mom to bring forth life to this world.Fortunatley or unfortunately she could not take care of BUT be grateful for the nuns who took care of u and placed u in a good German family.Pray for the soul of those nuns who spent sleepless nights.Now don't waste your precious time be settled in life and start a new life.All the best dear.God loves you.
Hallo Mr.mangalorean christian( come out with real name will help claudia to find her biological mother) All irene pinto are not her biological mothers she looking for Cecilia Pinto you are confusing her as well as you also. please read carefully article before commenting.
I am writing this mail as a parent who has adopted a child from Nirmala Social Welfare Organization. I would like to place on record that the process was very transparent, fair and systematic. All documentation were meticulously prepared and the legal process of adoption was systematically completed. No underhand dealings were indulged in. We were treated with utmost courtesy at the center by the sisters and staff at all times. I personally feel that the center has rendered great service to society by taking in abandoned babies and finding good adoptive homes for them. May God bless their efforts and give them the strength to persevere in the midst of trails and difficulties.
Here I would like to say that Claudia in search of her identity or her origin is not wrong. I just give her right.most of us wont understand why she is searching her mother or father cause we have them and dont miss their love or take it for granted. It has nothing to do with wealthy or adaptive parents love to do.Many of adapted children feel that they are not bound to their adapted parents like own .because that blood relationship is not there.dont we feel to our own parents attracted and to others only a freindship? we see here many times These children feel they are quite different than their adaptive parents .colour, Habits and and.many People Show and say too that they are different.and they feel many times very much and aggressive.even certain children dont care their parents .when they say or correct them they have guts to say why are you saying to me you are not my mother or father. Here it is forbidden to punish children as we do in India.some children accept and live happily with their Family.so we cant say why she is doing so now.she just wanted to know who is she.is it wrong to know ones origin? or tell her children or Grandchildren about her.I say wait Claudia one day you may succeed in your efforts.wish you all the best.
Claudia and the likes of her should be grateful that they were saved from the gutter and got a better life. It is fine to go and look for ones biological parents, but shameful and ungrateful to file police complaints and make issue about their adoption. There are some incidents where the adopted kids found their biological parents only to know either they are sickly lepers or beggers. Hope Claudia will find her mother Cecilia Pinto in a better shape.
Dear Claudia,Please Help to find more Foster Parents in Germany to give better opportunity for abondened children in orphanages. The Good Lord has ed you to be a apostle.Thank you, Theo
Look at the happy photo of Claudia and her adopted parents! Now she is looking at biology that could have ended in gutter!! Life is one! Enjoy the gift from God! Cladia...find God and biological parents in your kind heart adopted parents! If you find your biological parents it is well and good ...if at all you find them and if they are BPL...who knows what is next???? I would say you should thank Nirmala sisters for giving you a better life!! When there is no other topic, weather is the only topic...looks like you too have no other topic in life!!
Dear Claudia, what you are today is because of the love,compassion and sacrifice of the Nirmala Convent sisters.It is foolishness to lodge a complaint against those who have given you life. You are also not aware under what circumstances your mother would have abandoned you.If she has given birth to you outside the wedlock because of social reasons she would not have been able to keep you with her.Now when she is leading a peaceful family life you go and disrupt that peace and break that family for your own selfish motives will be a major harm and pain that you will be causing to your biological mother. Hence I advice you to give up your search, withdraw the case against the sisters,you live in peace, allow the sisters to live in peace and also allow your mother to live in peace wherever she may be and whatever she may be.
dear Claudia..Don't you feel it is too late to search for your mother,since she has abandoned you.get settled in life and have a child of your own. read the news of today..just a newborn thrown at river and 6 yr child in the well thrown by her own mother. hope this will open your eyes and be grateful to the nuns and withdraw your complaints, as NUNS have given you second life..
dear Claudia,you were abandoned by your own parents and nirmala sisters took care of you. read a article of today. A newborn was found dead in a river...Thank GOD ,even though your parents abandoned you, nuns took care of you and not allowed you to be eaten by the ants or dogs or thrown you to .....go and fall at the feet of nuns who took care of you..GET SETTLED IN LIFE,BEFORE IT is TOO LATE as YOU ARE IN YOUR MIDDLE AGE.
Ms Claudia, has been too selfish in filing a case against Nirmala Convent, who have been virtually the Gods Angels on Earth. Claudia could have peeped into the lives of several other adoptive children & probably then would have figured out how broken & shattered lives are lifted up & made to live with dignity. I teach Biology & through my experience, I have learnt that more than the biological relations, what keeps us is our humane values. Please don't putdown someone who has been rendering selfless service to the society around for decades,just because your personal life is in troubled waters. Remember, that children who have been abandoned by the parents are given a dignified life by this institution. Ours is a country where there are hundreds of children, whose lives have gone to the dogs. Claudia has to be contented that she has been gives a life worthy of living, thanks to the institution. Claudia please don't deprive the Manglorian community, who have been blessed by the services of this institution , Nirmala Convent. May God give you peace, Time is ripe Please please get into someone else's shoes & take decisions selflessly .& withdraw the case....
A priest in his sermon once explained what is the meaning of “ Jesus Died for our Sins”.It seems that one of his friend a priest narrated a true incident in his life. One day when the priest woke up early morning, he found a crying baby left in front of his room. Not knowing what to do he called the cops and the situation was taken care of, but he had to answer so many questions put forth by the officials and was made to make several rounds to the police station and to the orphanage until it was d by the authorities that it was a abandoned baby. He then said that ‘he had to pay the price for others sins’.'Every home does not need a child but every child needs a home’. Nirmala Convent is paying the price for someone’s sins. Digging too much will be like opening a can worms.
Because there was no DNA TESTING during those days !!!
SIMON,QuestioningBecause there was no DNA TESTING during those days !!!
Pinto, Mlore Well Said Pinto..
oh, how is that possible for Claudia, to raise her hands against her own family that picked her from the dust bin and gave her dignity of a person and gave a second life in this world. Did she think who she is today is just becasue of these sisters who loved her, cared her, and sacrificed their life for her sake? Claudia Nirmala convent is your mother house, donot blame it for the fault that it has not done. count the blessings that you have received from it.May the Lord help you to give life to others not to take away.
Why does this Claudia want to dig a silent grave and count the bones? Even if Claudia found her mom now - which may take months or years to establish who is her real mom because some fake ones may come up in between claiming the relationship - what is she gonna do, hug her and leave her alone and go? I am sure she is going to do exactly the same, go to Germany and write a book and make a quick buck. And then, isn’t she interested in knowing her bio father also ? If she found him too, then how is she gonna handle it, in case (most probably) they are not living together?Her bio mother might have abandoned her only out of helplessness – she might have been too sick after giving birth or she might have even been killed (before or after birth, say in an accident-who knows). Like in Hindi films, some drunkard might have found her in a heavy rainy night near a gutter and might have picked her up and left her outside the gates of the convent and the story develops. The more Claudia wants to find about her origin the more agony and pain she will unearth. And then comes the crucial role of the Nirmala. In the first place the whole protecting, nursing and adoption drama encompasses compassion and love even if there was money involved. Let’s presume there was money. Then trust me it is only this money which has enabled this lady to be alive in this hostile world today and blame the very people for their incompetence, greed or non-cooperation and file a complaint and what not. If not, under those circumstances, it was absolutely impossible for a girl child in India to be alive and happy as what is she today. Remember, you fight for your birth rights only if you are alive ! If it was me, I would not go after my mysterious origins. I would rather let them live and die happily which may not be the case in Claudia’s yet-to-unfold saga.
Dear Claudia, please stop being selfish and self centred. Even though u were abandoned by your parents you have had a chance to live a better life be coz of the love of the sisters and your adopted parents. Be great full for what your adopted parents have done for you otherwise you wud have been like one of the child on the roads of India. Becoz of your attitude you are stoping the millions of abondoned children who are on the roads from getting a chance to live a chance to have love from parents, a family. Adoption gives a child a right to live and get love which is very important for every human being. Please stop being selfish. Sorry if I have hurt you emotions but please be considerate. Give the homeless a second chance.
My humble suggestion is to believe in God and go forward and achieve something in life so that your parents who brought you up may be proud of.
Dear Claudia,Let go..... Live your life with love and pray for the parents who gave you life, Also pray for your biological Mother, inspite of difficult situation at yr birth, did not abort, and commit sin. Live your life peacefully & Loving with the blessings JESUS has given you. Do not dig the grave. Let go.
This German lady should understand the situation. Its not US or Europe or Philippine that ladies giving birth first then marring the same boy later. Getting child out of wedlock also is taboo....shame in India. In some cases Ladies either aborting or committing suicide.In North India somce communities killing their daughter to protect their honour.Claudia you got second life..that is given by Nirmala sisters.. Remeber even if you identified your biological mother, she will deny to protect her honour and shame from Childrens/relaltives and daughter-in-laws and son-in laws.Please dont open Pandora Box
Mangalore: Male newborn found dead in river at TalapadyMangalore, Jul 11: In a heart-rending incident, a newborn was found dead in a river at Talapady near here on Thursday July 11.Open your eyes CLAUDIA THAT TOO A BOY ! Go withdraw your complaints and give thanks for the nuns.
Sorry for the means that are used by Claudia to search her leagal mother. Nirmala Social Work Centre has given her life, when she was nobody's in this world. She should have been grateful to the sisters, than causing disturbances to them. They had given her a future. Today she should have been happy and build her life with a bright future than bringing confusion, seraching of the past.
I wonder how many claudias there in this worldpinto
Mother's love is unique and she is superior always,Now Claudia and her intention to search for her mother,I feel it is her right and it is a unique situation after all,no denying facts.Hope and pray she will be reunited with her unknown mother soon to a happy rejoice.
When girls get pregnant outside marriage they do not want the baby and are ready to abort. Claudia thank God there were people like Nirmala Convent to take you in then be left in the dust bin to die. So many abortions are taking place every day at Lady Goshcen. Even private doctors in villages charge Rs 3000 for abortion and that is the cost of a human life. When people are in problems they want others to help them out then they turn back to bite the hand that fed them.
truly said Antoinette Fernandes. Nirmala convent known for its service in many years. It is helping the couple to adopt the child who are no longer can have their own child. I know that Nirmal convent does according to government rules and acts. So far all the children who were adopted are with good wealthy and well educated couples. Claudia must remember that, if her biological mother had aborted her then she would not have life today at all. or if the biological mother had abandoned her in a remote place, by now she would have been turned out to be a begger or something else without any education or job. she should thank god and the nirmala convent for providing her good parents and she should also think that if her biological mother had given up her it must be with some reason and she must understand that.
Oh its sad to know that adoption process has been stopped. These people and cases have deprived other parents who are in need of Kids and deprived kids who are deserted from biological parents from getting a secured and loving nest for life.Request to Commence the Adoption process again that may light lives of many.....
For your kind information Mr.Pinto Parent mother details are not giving any adoption document 2)If baby found in garbage or dustbin it is imposible to search the parents of the child and it is like trying to reach the sky.
Mr Kudkhe , how much have u donated to the nuns n priests? if u have then open ur mouth or else shut it please. The christians are donating to the nuns n priests majoritily, n for ur kind info the nuns n priests have to eat n stay it takes money n even if they work they only get paid half of what others are getting n rememmber they stay at convents all their life their education food shelter clothing travelling n of course sickness has to be provided by the convent n if they get half the pay what re they supposed to do beg? n of course at 60 they retire so .. who will feed them U? or are u a catholic writting ? as long as the religious live alife of religious towards the christians i dont think it anybodys elses problem
I agree with you Mr. Ramesh. A great example are the nuns at the Home for the aged in Bajjodi, Mangalore. There are a hundred poor inmates in that home who cannot afford to pay to stay in that home. So the Nuns go begging from house to house and beg in the vegetable markets and gather vegetable from the vendors to feed them. And it is left for us to have a considerate heart and help the Nuns and the Priests to run such Charitable Institutions.
I support the opinion given by Oswald. Claudia needs to raise her heart in gratitude to God and her benefactors who saved her life and gave her a promising future rather than search for her biological parents now at this age. The sisters who saved her life and cared for her spending sleepless nights to see that she grows up healthy and happy, should be appreciated. The sisters work selflessly for the kids thrown away by their own biological mothers only because every child is a precious gift of God to be loved and cared for. Let claudia be grateful to them all.
I totally agree with you
The case could be of an unwed mother who had given away her newly born baby to the Nirmal Welfare Centre. If this is the case, then the Nirmala Centre should take an undertaking from Claudia to protect the identity of her biological mother and then secretly arrange for their meeting. In the Western Countries it is quite common to have a child out of wedlock but Claudia should know that it is not the case in India. If ever she is able to trace her mother, she should make sure that she would not disturb the peace in her biological mother's family. Because of parting away from her child, the mother must have silently suffered all these years without being able to express her pain and sorrow to anyone. She has now a God-sent opportunity to meet her long lost daughter and the Nirmal Centre should see to that both mother and daughter are reunited. I wish Claudia good luck in reuniting with her mother and both mother and daughter find solace in each other's company that was deprived them for such a long period because of the separation.
At least Claudia know that she belongs to different parents than whom she living with.There are millions of cases where the single mother or married women secretly had baby and her child don't even know who is their father is.., this is a open truth.Claudia is much better off. when compared to these cases..
Claudia ,I feel for you. Life is what it is and you cannot go back.World has everything that you need.Join some great meditation like Vipassana and you will find a way to find your parents.Life is too good, to waste your youth.Find yourself first and certainly you will find your parents.Good luck.
your right jassi bai
In her childhood photo Claudia looks very miserable. Readers look that left side photo.Instead of shitting on the food she ate let her learn to appreciate Nirmala convent for their good work.
If all the children who are living on the streets of major cities in India were adopted by foreign parents then could you imagine how many of these children would have a chance to be doctors and ingineers. I supose only 1% of these adopted children later try and find their biological parents. In Germany we have many un-married men/women under depression. How do we know under what pretext Claudia is now looking at the age of 37 years for her Indian parents. I would have understood at the age of 17-24.
DEAR BROTHER THOMAS,THANKS FOR THE INSIGHT ON THE SELFLESS AND THANKLESS JOB THE NIRMAL A CONVENT IS DOING.DESWASIS HAVE ALWAYS MISUNDERSTOOD MEN OF GOD IN CATHOLISM AS CONVERTING MACHINES.BUT IN ACTUAL THEY HAVE TOUCHED SO MANY PEOPLE WITHOUT DESCRIMINATION OF CAST, CREED OR HEALTH STATUS.THEY HAVE NEVER ASPIRED PUBLICITY.MY SALUTE TO ALL THOSE RAYS OF GOD.'I SHALL CHOOSE THE FEW TO DO MY TRUE WILL'
Ms Claudia, we hope you will soon meet your biological mother, may your dreams come true. All the best and God bless.
Claudia, you have all the right to search for your roots, your biological parents...but don't blame Nirmala convent who have given you a good lease of life with good parents in Germany. Nirmala Convent is actually doing a great service, by allowing children to take their birth in the world and caring them till they reach good parents. I have seen how they care for babies borne there and how they protect unwed mothers.
Why Claudia after 37 years want to know her biological mother, did she ever thought what her adopted parents going through, they have given her life, bought her up in life as their own child and now after many years she don't have any value for them. Whoever is commenting here are not parents who adopted child. If you adopt a child when he / she very small and pour your life towards that child. That child becomes the soul of your life and one fine day when the child says I want to find out my biological mother how the adopted parents will feel.
After knowing your biological mother what you are going to do, what you will gain in your life? you want to know the circumstances why the mother left you after knowing the circumstances are you going to gain something special in your life no. instead give thanks to God for giving you wonderful life with your adopted parents. Give thanks for what you have in life. Go for inner healing and whoever is your biological mother forgive her for abandoning you.
God knows the situation why she left you. Whoever your biological mother living or dead ask pardon from God on her behalf for what she as done. Also ask forgiveness from your adopted parents for hurting their emotions. And lead a happy life wherever you are May God bless you Claudia.
LORD HAVE MERCYBUTGIVE ME 'GRACE'
Going through this article a incident took place in Mangalore in mid of '70. which badly stikes in my mind. In this matter concerned team should meet DOLPHY PINTO named person who was working as steward in Golden chariot restaurant Andheri, Mumbai. Ask whereabout his sister Irene Pinto similiar incident took place with her. In polite way approach her. Hope the jigsaw is complete with the given clue. Hope Claudia almost reached her destination in finding her biological mother.Best of luck!
Dear claudias biological mother, If u r still living in Mangalore or India dont come into the picture. after finding u she will not keep quiet. again her issue will be where is my biological daddy? then what u will do? better hide urself.
DEAR SISTER JESSE, KUWAIT,YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF LIFE IS DIVINE. YOUR SUGGGESTION IS MORE THAN APPEALING. HOWEVER WESTERN UPBRINGING MAKES A WOMAN AT PAR OR MORE THEN MAN. SHE MAY BE A DOMINANT INDEPENDANT WOMAN.I & YOU ARE POOR BELIEVERS OF OLD FAITHS AND MODEST PRACTISES.I WONDER IF THIS LARGER THAN INDIAN CHILD WILL EVER LISTEN TO US...???
Jesse-M'lore Kuwait.....Haavn Ye Poorai Vaazun Full Confuse!Nirmala-Chaya...Kaanee..Thumche comment cum advise Vaazle..'Stop searching Biological Mother'Find yourself Loving Partner...Is what you are saying right? Well, you did not say exactly that-you said 'Find a boy' right?The problem of Chaya my dear has started because of a now unknown ' boy' in 1974! Life is not that easy-my dear!For many it's a fight all the way and for various reasons!A 'boy' an end to all her problems? Far fetched I think!
I HOPE HER MOTHER STILL IS ALIVE. WOMEN NORMALLY OUTLIVE MEN. I JUST HOPE.SHE WAS GIVEN AWAY IN HER INFANCY. SHE HAS GIVEN ALMOST 37 YEARS OF JOY TO HER EARNEST REAL PARENTS.NOW SHE AS A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WANTS TO ENCOUNTER HER OWN BLOOD MOTHER.I WISH HER ALL THE BEST.HOWEVER TOO MUCH ATTACHMENT WILL LEAVE ONE WITH PAINFUL DETACHMENT.DEAR CHILD TAKE EVERY STEP JUDICIOUSLY AND WITH BETACHED ATTACHMENT.
Nirmala convent has given life to so many children who otherwise would not have seen the world. When claudia was not wanted by her parents, sisters took care of her and gave her a future not for any benefit but for love of her and Jesus. If they had not helped that mother, where would claudia be. claudia Search for your mother, but don't cut the throat of the one who gave you life. Be grateful to the sisters for you are living today. When you could not fight for your life, sisters fought for your life and they loved you. Hence forth because of people like you and chaya, many babies who are unwanted due to any reason will be found in the garbage bin and will be eaten by the dogs.
@Bollu, Mangalore,i agree with u only mother and fathers love is true in this world. Rest all depends on how deep is your pocket.
dear claudia be happy, thank and praise god for what u r today. god had a plan in ur life. if u would have been in mangalore i think u would not have become a doctor. u r lucky to have kind and loving german parents.now u r wasting ur precious time in searching ur mother. who knows? what kind of situation ur mother was facing? who knows whether she is still living? instead u try to find a boy get married and live a healthy married life. dont waste ur time and dont blame on nirmala ashram for they r saving the life of children and putting the children in right persons hand, like ur german parents.
I agree with you instead wasting time live your rest of the life happily
I think the readers of daijiworld carried away easily and they have a very narrow view of the article above. The agony or the trauma which Claudia is talking can be felt only by her as the article clearly indicates. Claudia want to feel she belongs somewhere because at the moment she is in a no-man land. That is the crux of the entire article. i dont think she meant bad about Nirmala convent. if nirmala social welfare centre had replied to her many mails there would not be reason for her to file complaint. Let the readers come out of their bigoted views and help her if possible instead of trying to point fingers saying she is right or wrong. First let us put us in her place and then we will know what it feels not to belong anywhere. Dont be judgmental about the motives of these people who want to know where they belong. I think Lydia Lobo clearly understands and is sensible in assessing the above case.
I really understand this problem of chaya.but 37 years back the rules and regulation and procedures were not as it is today.I do appreciate the good works done by the sisters of ullal and giving new life to these abandoned babies.Even today unwed mothers do not come forward to reveal their identity. We should respect her and allow her to lead normal life.I appreciate the good works the sisters have carried on from years together. But it is sad to hear that they have done charitable works for money.Before condemning them it is better to go and have a dialogue with them. Let us make things simple instead of complex.
I somehow sympathize with the social welfare centers. These well to do people who now can afford a travel, stay in India are after biological parents. Who gave them that life. Lets not get philosophical...after all, it is finally bread and butter. These mature kids now are obviously looking for their biological parents, not because their stomach is full...mentally, they are full as well. They have enough gather enough "useful" knowledge to develop and explore that eternal bond. What they must realize is that their parents also had some "majburi"...why else will a parent leave behind their kids. For Claudia, my only suggestion is, please find your biological parents, but do not blame anyone for your fate as that was neither in your control nor your parents and least of all not the social care centers.
Claudia, with a quest for her roots is creating problems for the place that took her in, sheltered her and assisted her to have a good life with people who loved and cared for her all these years. It looks like she is on an ego trip, not bothering how many people will be hurt or ruined .. just for an answer to her “why?”. Mangloreans might be modernized, but it has not reached that stage, where a woman will voluntarily acknowledge and welcome the child she had given up in such circumstances.
Kudhke only will get these cunning thoughts.
I feel that every person Male/Female has the right to know who his or her parents are and were they were born. It is different if the Parents dont want to meet them as he/she may have been born out of wedlock (Of parents not legally married to each other). In the case of Claudia Gerstner it maybe a similar, Claudia Gerstner should be happy that she has a Home in Germany with foster parents who cared for her. Who knows were her biological Parents are right now. Her Biological Mother maybe reading this article and shedding a tear and happy that her daughter is well settled and would not spoil the peace and harmony of their own personal married life. What Claudia did was not right I agree with what everyone has to say, but with her current situation were she is desperate to trace her family roots she was not left with any options after Nirmala Centre refused to give her any info inspite of having them on record.Claudia Gerstner's Biological Mum if you are reading this article please come forward and embrace your Daughter who is longing for you.God Bless you Claudia Gestner as you have the courage to come out in the open and look for your Biological parents. There are many children in the world who are born out of wedlock abandoned in the streets or killed once they are born specially the GIRL CHILD.Deuteronomy 23:2 “No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord.
“Quote "No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord.unquote Det Brazil Gomes just because you know a vs or two in the bible please don't, quote off context. Where does this fit in ? If a person born of a forbidden union is banned from The Lords presence then " I salute these nuns who shelter and feed them !"Remember also the genolgy of Jesus in NT goes up to Judah's !
When the babies are left on the doors of Nuns Homes....First thing is to give a complaint to the police...then if the biological mother is not traced or not come then they can proceed to the next step of bringing up the child in that Nirmala Centre.Nuns are too good people as well as their intention of adoption is also money making as they demand money with parents who wanted to adopt them.When they are getting charity money from different segment of people why they should take money from the parents who will next look after the babies n give them far better life than the nuns.If the nuns are so concerned then let them properly go throught the procedures why they should with held the names of the mothers????who has not done right thing by having relationship with others...let them too complaint with the police n then punish the culprit father.
You don't understand this, you need a big heart not a big brain to understand.
The biological mother could easily have aborted this girl as she would have been an unwed mother or victim of rape. But she valued life and has given birth to the child and then made sure she left her with the nuns for adoption by good people. Instead of appreciating this fact and thanking God for the gift of her life, this Claudia (and Chaya) are going to disturb a lot of people including their mother who could be settled and leading normal life and also causing unnecessary harrasment to the nuns who had given a new lease of life to their biological mothers. This is India, and the biological mothers will never come forward and own up.
Good one Asha .It's a fact.Just because Arthur Haily went in search of his ROOTS
I completely agree with you asha incase claudia find her mother and she refuses to accept her what she will do she will go again to police station for this to file a complaint against her mother.this will spoil rest of her life she will be never happy ( i hope not)
Claudia is coming from her German background - the law, the rights of the people. If you are able to get the details of your biological mother - it indeed will be nice.India is far different. Family prestige, woman's honor all these were important then, are important now.Tracing the woman who couldn't keep you for whatever reasons, is far more important to you, than host of issues involved here? Nirmala is not right in maintaining the right records, but they took care of those children who were abandoned, and reached them to HOMES of better circumstances.Money changing hands is not good, but I do think, Nirmala needed funds to run the place, they couldn't go out to work, with infants under their care.Let us visit this case, from all aspects. Not how right we are, but what is right for circumstances THEN?
I fully agree with Ashok, Searching for her mother is good thing, but complaint against Nirmala convent is not acceptable. They are doing lot of charity all of us know for many years and many kids benefited thro. this institute.
It is only natural for a child to want to know their origins/roots and Claudia is no different. It is a deeply emotional matter. People criticizing should try to put themselves in her shoes.It takes a lot of courage to do this knowing you were an abandoned or orphaned.Try to understand the agony of Claudia to know her parents.The fault lies with nirmala adoptions for not keeping birth records, however confidential they might be. These adopted people have every right to know the reasons for their adoption, and to find out thier biological mother, even if the mother is married or whatever.It has to be noted that Claudia was shifted to Mumbai without any authority and without any relinquishment documents?????????????????Claudia, You deserve to know the circumstances under which you were given away for adoption. Good luck in your endeavors.I wish you success and a happy ending.
PETER,PLEASE DIFFRENCIATE BETWEENADOPTED ANDABANDONED AND ADOPTED 1. IN THE FIRST CASE ADOPTION PAPERS WILL CONTAIN DETAILS OF PARENT MOTHER.IF THEY OR THE DELIVERY TAKES PLACE IN THE ADOPTION CENTER.2.WHEN A BABY IS ABANDONED...LEFT OVERNIGHT ON DOORSTEP,DUSTBIN ETC THEN TO TRACE THE PARENT IS VERY DIFFICULT AND THE CASE GOES INTO HANDS OF POLICE WHO IN TURN MAY OFFER THE AGENCY THE BABY FOR ADOPTION AFTER FULFILLING ADOPTION FORMALITIES.THIS CASE LOOKS BLIND ANYWAY THE NUNS KNOW BEST ,and the rest .
Unfortunate because of these type of people(claudia) the nirmala adoption center now 3 years back they stopped adoption. one of my friend went for adoption they said they stopped, then i came to know someone filed case against them now i realize.feel sad for nirmala convent after doing all good work they got bad name.
10. Procedure in case of Orphan and Abandoned Children.-It shall be the duty of every person, whether an individual or a nursing home or hospital or any other institution who or which finds an abandoned child or an orphan child without family support, to report the fact immediately either to the officer in charge of the nearest police station or the Child Welfare Committee (CWC) or Childline (Tel 1098) or the Specialised Adoption Agency in that area, as is practicable.IF THE CONVENT HAS FOLLOWED THESE RULES THEY ARE WITHIN THE LAW OR ELSE FACE THE MUSIC.RELIGION PLAYS A VERY SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN ABANDOND/ADOPTED as religion they belong to is unknown, Most children as most are baptized before being handed over if found in convents .ADOPTION LAWS ARE VERY VERY STRINGENT ,RELIGIOUS HEADS IN THE NAME OF GOD OVERLOOK THE LAW THINKING THEY HAVE WON A SOUL.MOST OF THE MONEY COLLECTED BY CONVENTS IS ACTUAL COST OF DELIVERY,MEDICINES,DOCTORS. FEES, FOOD FOR THE MOTHER AND CHILD, MEDICINES,CLOTHING AYAHA ETC..SOMETIMES MIDDLEMEN /AGENTS MAKE. MONEY WITHOUT CONVENTS KNOWING.
was the procedure in existence way back in 1975-76?
Indian citizens who are Hindus, Jains, Sikhs, or Buddhists are allowed to formally adopt a child. The adoption is under the Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act of 1956. Under this act, a single parent or married couple are not permitted to adopt more than one child of the same sex. Foreign citizens, NRIs, and those Indian nationals who are Muslims, Parsis, Christians or Jews are subject to the Guardian and Wards Act of 1890. Under this act, the adoptive parent is only the guardian of the child until she reaches 18 years of age. This has changed since.
The goal of Claudia's search is good. But the means adapted to reach the end are violating the human rights of the NGOs. a person like me, made to think, what a mistake that Nirmala Sisters made in giving life to Claudia. I am sure Claudia knows the rules and regulations of adoption. Hence I would advise Claudia, stop harassing the Sisters. if possible please undertake the DNA test of the entire population of India and find your biological mother. Sisters are not public information officers, to give you information which they do not have. Choose the right way then you will succeed. Otherwise it is useless to find your roots and abuse the human rights of every one including police, Ngos, court, etc. I know how many sleep less nights you have caused to the sisters for choosing to give life and better future to the abandoned children left on the roadside etc. i know how Nirmala has been a home for the unwed mothers in the past and restored their dignity. Hence do not harass them rather work hand in hand in collaboration to find your roots. Surely they will help you with their great network. Good luck Claudia.
I completely agree with you
It is obvious your mother did not want you so why are you now......
Fully Agreed Lydia.
In India, abandoned children normally end up with begging mafia or pedophiles. Few lucky ones end up in the care of good families in the west. One classic case is that of Saroo brierly, Indian boy who was lost at the age of 5 in a train in Khandwa and grew up in the care of a Australian family. He eventually found his biological mother after 25 years using google earth. His adopted parents helped him find his parents.So it is not always fair to accuse NGO's who rehabilitate lost children. Wasn't it for them, these children wouldn't be possibly alive.
In my opinion we can not entertain this lady or help because she file a complaint against nirmala convent. If that time nirmala convent did not take care about her what will be her situation,they given her good life and everything.She has the right to find out her mother but not this way.
I really appreciate your thought Mr.Ashok
Ashoka Shetty,Nice thought and sincere concern, If not for Nirmala Convent Claudia ( xyz) maybe would be having a BPL CARD ,
This reminds me incidents of few years ago, where one foreign women was looking for the kids father who was working in ship for many years and accidentally they met in to each others and happened which common in ship, there may be many secret cases. So, don't be surprise...This is just an adoption..This is just an adoption issue..
I BELIEVE THERE IS TRUTH IN THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT:Sr Blanch, a senior pharmacist at the centre points out, “We feel sad and hurt that for all the good work we have done on humanitarian grounds we face harassment. This centre has given life to many people and served the society. We had instances where newborns were abandoned at the doorsteps of our convent and we have taken care of them. There have been instances of unwed mothers leaving their children at the centre. Now, if they are leading a good life with their families and if these adopted people are bent upon tracing their parents there is a possibility that this might create discord in many families”.IF MONEY WAS EXCHANGED AT THE TIME OF ADOPTION ALL INVOLVED ARE GUILTY OTHERWISE THE STATEMENT QUOTED ABOVE IS TO BE ACCEPTED.
In a very difficult situation her mother might have abandoned her.Still she did a good job that she didn't kill her.Claudia is now educated and can live independently.Hope her mother accept her.
Wilma,I don't think Claudia wants to return to her mother. She is independent, can even look after herself as well as the biological mother (depending on what condition she is). If the woman is married and having her own family, Claudia may leave without even letting a third person to know that such an event took place in the lady's life.I am sure Claudia will find a life in Germany far more happy and unselfish than what we Indians live.
What she(claudia) is doing is not correct may be be if nirmala convent was not taking care or german couple not adopting her may she was in the place where should not be instead of being happy with adopted parents she is filing case against the organisation which is giving life to the abandoned children you are searching for biological parents is not a good idea, you may feel shame after you find your biological parents(i hope not). dont you think it is too late after 38 years.
Sometimes, people need to find their biological parents to find the reason for their adoption, and to bring closure to their personal agony. Just because somebody is adopted into a western country, does not necessarily mean they would have had a happy childhood. They could have felt like being a 'fish out of water' in a far away place like germany / europe, not knowing any other indian children, subject to racism, abuse and other social issues in their upbringing. The fault lies with nirmala adoptions for not keeping birth records, however confidential they might be. These adopted people have every right to know the reasons for their adoption, and to find out thier biological mother, even if the mother is a poor woman / beggar / prostitute or any other social outcaste.
Oswald,We don't know the value of something when we contain it. Example, ask a widow the value of a man in her life. Similarly, biological parents is the root you are connected to, no matter how preciously you are look after by the adopted parents. Here one more thing comes to the fore is the large heart of the German couple who are allowing her kindheartedly to search for her biological parents - imagine we Indians do that ? We would have felt so insecure about losing our (adopted) child. Secondly, she has no intention to cause malign to the center that sheltered her after her birth but she wants to find out the route she ended up in the Mumbai center. If we don't support her, it means that we are encouraging child-trafficking.One more thing that comes to my mind is the cost the couple incurred in adopting her. Aren't they doing a favour to the poor or are they buying our children ? Why is adopting so expensive then ? Had any Indian couple sustained so much for adopting a child, would s/he have not put the child to begging to regain the expenses ?We have a long way before we become of giving nature and understanding the trouble of the poor. We are not even on square one.
Dear Lydia,How you telling that she has no intention to malign the center then why she lodge complain against the center ???????????/
Did you nor read that two previous members who were given out for adoption center happy to have reunited with their root family ? What will she gain by suing the center ?Strange that we want justice when any other country does anything malicious against us but we are not open for a probe to our own people ? If an error is committed, it needs to be admitted and punitive measures sustained - law is equal to all - isn't it ?
Mother's love cannot be avoidable..not only with human-beings..even with animals/birds..It's natural claudia looks for real mother. Wish her the best..let she comes close to her relatives..other's just fake world..!!
Atlast I got a chance to agree with your comments Bollu.
Me too Bollu, while writing brain & heart should be together. Nice going.
My God ! Concurring Mt. Everest may have been much easier. I commend Claudia's guts and determination and wish her success.Claudia, deserve to know the circumstances under which you were given away for adoption. Good luck in your endeavors.Thank you Florine for a very meticulous article with views from all parties.
Agree with you Lydia. I dont believe Claudia has any intention of creating any disturbance or criticising anybody. It is only natural for a child to want to know their origins/roots and Claudia is no different. It is a deeply emotional matter. What is wrong with that ? It is her right to know. People criticising her must put theirselves in her place and try to understand how she feels and what she must be thinking. Assistance/co-operation must be extended to her if possible to help her find her roots/mother. It takes a lot of courage to do this knowing you were an abandoned or orphaned child. I wish Claudia success and a happy ending to her journey to find the truth.
I do understand the agony of Claudia to know her parents. I do not know the ethics of letting out the name of the mother on a public space given that she has the right to secrecy and assuming the circumstances under which she may have been forced to give away the child. Even if there was a chance for Claudia to know her mother, the mother may be all the more hesitant to come out in the open after her name is in public space. Ethics of media have to be adhered. In the meantime, the legal proceedings should help her in finding her documents. The Indian law was weak and hence adoption before 2004 did not have proper documentation, nevertheless all efforts should be made to locate the documents. Careful handling of the matter by Nirmala Convent is required and taking Claudia into confidence would be most needed.
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