Konkani Activists Seek Ban on 'English in Liturgy' in Mangalore Diocese


Konkani Activists Seek Ban on 'English in Liturgy' in Mangalore Diocese
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Mangalore, Dec 14: "The   use of English in liturgy in churches across the Diocese of Mangalore has divided our people into those who attend  'English Mass' and others who go to 'Konkani mass'  This division starts at the early age where some children are sent to  'English Catechism' and others of the same age to 'Konkani Dotorn'. The so called English lovers remain away from all the church activities and do not identify with others.  This division earlier limited to one or two parishes of the city, is now spreading to other places. It poses a great threat to the unity of our people. It is also not good to the future of Konkani in the coastal district" opined several Konkani leaders and well wishers at a meet on 'Konkani in Liturgy' which was organised by Konkani Prachar Sanchalan  on Sunday 14th December 2008 at Don Bosco Hall, Mangalore.





Fr. Pratap Naik, S.J  Director of Thomas Stephens Konkani Institute, Goa , spoke on the directives of the church regarding the use of the language in liturgy. He said that as per the documents of Vatican II, it is the Bishop who can decide the use of a particular language in liturgy in his diocese and not others.   He further stressed the need of preserving the mother tongue in our day today use, may be at home or at liturgy as it is the identity of a community. If a community loses  its identity it will face social and psychological problems in the long run. He gave the examples of few Indian communities who are facing a lot of social and family problems  as they have lost their identity by following English blindly.  He further urged that the prime time of the Holy Mass in  churches across the Mangalore diocese should be reserved for  Konkani. He said instead of English, Latin can be used for the migrants as it is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church.






After the debate which nearly went for more than an hour, Eric Ozario, Mandd Sobhann Gurkar and the former president of Konkani Sahitya Academy proposed the following resolutions:

1. Considering that the use of English in liturgy and catechism freely is detrimental to the unity of our community, the Bishop should decide the official language of the Mangalore Diocese and introduction of English Holy Masses and catechisms newly in the churches should be withheld till the decision about the official language is being taken.

2. We appeal to the Bishop to consider  Konkani as the official language of the diocese and all the English liturgies in the churches should be shifted to non-prime time and should be gradually  stopped.

3. The Konkani Catholics should speak Konkani in their homes and wherever there are facilities the children should be encouraged to learn Konkani in schools and people should use Konkani in social gatherings.

These were passed unanimously.

Karnataka Sahitya Academy former president Fr Alexander D Souza inaugurated the programme by ringing the bell. He said this bell is to wake up our people to use Konkani in liturgy.

Konkani Prachar Sanchalan president Roy Castelino welcomed the gathering and the Secretary Dr Edward Nazareth explained the need of the discussion on the issue of language in liturgy. The Konkani activist Stany Alvares and Vitori Karkal compered the programme.

  

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  • Melville, Mangalore, Abu Dhabi

    Sat, Dec 27 2008

    Bravo Dom, You said it. Keep it up.

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  • George Pais , Urwa -Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    it is suprising as well as sad to note that, some of our cumunity leaders are trying to divide us in the name of English and Konkani. No one has forced in mangalore diocise to attend either Konakani or English Mass or caticsm to our Children and it should be entirly left to themselves. You can advocate but cannot force or impose such things on anyone. A similar movement was enforced nieneration lostn Erstiwhile Tamilnad ( Madras state ) during the year 66-67 and we heard subsquently beacuse of this fanatism entire genration lost its opportunity to grab the opportunity to their children and some one who had vested interests grabed it.

    Before this issue goes out of control and divide us Lord Bishop along with other religious leaders should start dialogue with people of Mangalore and put an end for this issue. Further, we should always remeber that we have so many other important agendas to our people instead of creating a new controversy.

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  • Sherol, Mangalore/Dubai

    Sat, Dec 20 2008

    Lavina, Why would anyone need to speak konkani when clearly the Global/business language is English? You for one, live in Dubai and should know the importance of communication. Question: Would you rather they make Arabic the official language of the diocese in the UAE?

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  • Gemma, Mangalore/Canada

    Fri, Dec 19 2008

    It seems like a lot of people have a lot of spare time to control what other people want to do. Why don't they want to express their wishes in English? Shouldn't they be writing in Konkani and stay where Konkani is being spoken?

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  • Marcel M. D'Souza, Mangalore

    Fri, Dec 19 2008

    Dear Donny, I fully agree with your views. The activists should fight the HIGH CLASS people who think Konkani Language is the Language of Servants and treat it as a language spoken by LOWER CLASS of people. They may not know the Nation's Highest Award for Literary Work - JNANAPEETHA AWARD is given to a Konkani Writer and our Konkani Language is honored and reached greater heights.

    Secondly as you said the English Sermons delivered by the priests are meaningful and dignified and they deliver the real stuff unlike Konkani Speaking Priests who have nothing to give to the congregation on Sunday(Not all). Though I am not residing in Milagres, I still go for Milagres Church and also to Fatima Retreat House for these sermons and not because of the love of the English Language.

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  • Tony Miranda, Mangalore/ USA

    Fri, Dec 19 2008

    I have read many comments, but all those who are in favor of banning English mass and substituting it with Konkani have to think twice. I especially have to comment on Lydia's comment. It is great that even though she is in the US she has taught her kids to speak in Konkani and have kept up with their culture.

    But, sitting in the US and endorsing stupid things like having liturgical services in Kannada, tulu and konkani is not right. In the US she can go to English mass or have konkani mass with her fellow mangaloreans, but the people in Mangalore who favor English mass should not have that option. What does she mean by 'fetish for the English language'? English is used universally in India and around the world. So there is nothing wrong in prefering English to better oneself.

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  • Ozee, Mangalore, Dubai

    Thu, Dec 18 2008

    Dear all, all I can say, speak and write Konkani. Yes, it is fading away. When you speak Konkani, it brings love and unity in Mangalore and everywhere. There is nothing wrong what this team is doing.

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  • Lydia, USA

    Thu, Dec 18 2008

    I am glad someone has raised this finally. We live in the US and we and our kids speak Konkani. My kids speak perfect Konkani and are completely fluent in the language and are proud to speak it. I do not understand why we have such a fetish for the English language that we are willing to give up our true roots. Do not give up English, definitely learn it, but not at the cost of your language and culture. We have to give up this craze for English that we have and adopt our local languages like Konkani, Kannada, Tulu in liturgical services.

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  • John crasta, Kadri, Kuwait

    Thu, Dec 18 2008

    Dear All, I read most of all comments. Most of the people only think about them self.Not thinking about Konkani Future. Pls do not take any decisions of these types of people. They do not understand the intension of Konkani Activist. Really , what Konkani activist are thinking is very good. All qualified , Experienced people are working for us.They really KONKANI GREAT PEOPLE. We have respect them. All the best to All Konkani activist  We have to love OUR LANGUAGE.

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  • joan lobo, mangalore

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    God! How can one in these days and times start issues that are irrelevant considering the more serious issues prevelant.Let us not visibly divide our community becos' of language. There is nothing more important than partaking in our liturgy and if language is a criteria we will find more persons staying away cos' already attending mass in the language you are familiar makes it most meaningful. All you stalwarts lets focus on more important issues.

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  • EDWIN, Bangalore

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    We Manglorean Catholics have much bigger and larger issues to handle presently, that is, to remain united against threat to our very faith from the fanatics and fundamental outfits. I request the  konkani Activists to utilise their leadership strength for this noble cause of keeping us together .

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  • Leslie, Mangalore

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    We better stop debate on such a trivial issue. Majority of the Mangaloreans know what is best for them in their own parishes. Every parish decides the langauge of their worship with the genuine need of the people in consultation with the concerned people.

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  • Vincy, Pamboor, Pamboor

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    Congratulations to the Konkany Activists. We too have shared responsibility. But I don't understand how English Mass ia a threat to deep routed Konkani. Instead of protesting against English liturgy, as we are doing now, inspire the people to speak konkani. Let us avoid English in our social ceremonies when everyone understands Konkani. Let us not resolve in English that we should fight against English. Let not Raj Thakre be our model.

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  • Jennet Prescilla, Mangalore / Oman

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    Hi I was wondering why suddenly this doubt has arisen in the minds of people that Konkani is fading. I am a Mangalorean working in Muscat due to financial problems and I have my son with me who knows Konkani but is conversant and fluent in English when we come down, we go to Church for the English Mass as he is able to follow the sacrifice being offered. Banning English in Churches is going to drive lot of catholics/christians away from faith. Peopole in Mangalore especially are not only Mangaloreans, but from other parts of the country as well as international citizens working in elite organisations like banks, hospitals and conglamorates. Their mother tongue is not Konkani and how do you expect these people to partake in the Eucharistic celebrations if they do not understand the liturgy? When you pass some comments or memorandum please do it in the interest of the society as a whole and not for a segment of the people. Promote konkani whole heartedly, by sponsosring budding writers and singers and dramatists who are struggling to bring their talen to the fore. Do not waste your energy in toppling the system which is currently running smoothly. The elite society who you feel do not mingle with the Konkani people, will they start mingling if the English litergy is banned in the Church. You cannot change the colours of a tiger nor can you change the thinking and attitude of people, unless they themselves want to change. Have a heart on visiting people, tourists, who come to church for love of God and not for any language and let them take part in the praise and worship in the language they understand. Implementing Latin is like giving a person something hard to swallow when he is unable to swallow even a sip of water.

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  • prescilla, mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    When we celebrated Konkani Niranthari, all the Mangaloreans were thrilled. We will work for the Konkani language but not ignore other languages.

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  • Naveen, Mangalore

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    Why I am reading Konkani news in ENGLISH !!!! Guys don't partition our language, our city, our country. Leave her alone !!! Why do we point fingers at so many other ? Stop this

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  • ronald, barkur

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    One should realise that Konkani is not in danger of extinction as long as there are GSBs. On the other hand, if we are worried about the disappearance of Konkani in our Christian Community, we must first start promoting cultural Konkani programmes which were alive and well in the past.  This way, our language will grow slowly but naturally.

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  • James, Udipi

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    At a time when the youth are shunning away from the church- whether Konkani or English, the so called people with good intentions towards konkani are discouraging christians to stay away from these "No English" politics and eventually the church. I strongly recommend this "No English" thing to be discontinued and allow people to practice their christian faith in any language they prefer rather than stay away from the church totally. I'm surprised that some priests have joined this too.

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  • Aloysus D Silva, Kulshekar Mangalore

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    I fail to understand why it took us  60 years to raise objection about English Mass. It is up to any individual to pray or to attend Holy Mass in any language he feels good. The activist have every right to convince all the people not to attend English Mass but they do not have the right to Ban the English Mass. Thus It is my opinion that English Mass should continue,even though I attend only Konkani Mass since there is no English Mass in Cordel Church so far.

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  • Wilson DSouza, Paladka

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    I think the big Konkani heads should focus on the basic needs of popularising Konkani among masses. This appears merely a popularity stunt, serving no purpose. I doubt atleast some of the children of those big heads really know how to speak Konkani.

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  • Joseph, Mangalore, Mangalore

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    If Konkani is not kept alive in Mangalore, where else? We proudly call ourselves as Konkani Catholics. Konkani is our Mother Tongue. If we do not respect and love it, it is just like disregarding our own Mother. Should we not pass on the the language we learnt from the lap of our mother to our children as a noble gift of our culture and heritage. We consider ourselves as chosen and elite people. Can't we take a cue from our Tulu, Malayali, Gujarati and Tamil friends. However high position such person be or however rich he may be, they always switch over to their native language when they come across a person of their origin. But our people often feel ashamed to do that and always switch over to English. Let us remember that English Language is for earning our bread and butter. Being a foreign and borrowed language, it cannot and never be our mother tongue. If we forget this, we are sure, we are heading towards becoming a gypsy generation and will be lost in a few decades unless we are rooted in our culture. We shall be always treated as aliens in our own land.

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  • dom, Washington DC/USA

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    I think we should use the universal Christain language called LOVE. Let us gather together, without saying a word verbally, go out and feed the hungry, visit the sick and help people. Then only will true christian liturgy reveal itself. God Bless.

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  • Noel Pereira, Mangalore/Toronto,Canada

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    Though English language helps us communicate better in the modern world it appears Konkani as a langauage and culture is diminishing. Hence reducing English in liturgy and expanding usage of konkani in as many places ( especially in Mangalore,DK)may be the answer.

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  • ronald, barkur-bhadrigiri

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    As long as there exists the GSB Community there is no danger to the Konkani language. If we as Christians worried about losing our brand of the language, then what we should do is develop our literary talent/skills and stage and promote Konkani plays in place of the Tulu ones that are being staged during a number of occasions. Let us not bend over backwards any more. We have had enough by doing so. For the same reason, why should we sing in Kannada during a Konkani service ?

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  • ronald, barkur-bhadrigiri

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    Konkani should be promoted and this ought to be done as a separate activity in a social setting which includes all Konkani speaking people, including the non-Christians. There are international Conferences of this type. In fact I met one of my relatives from New York who had come to India for one of these a few years ago. We also have to learn from the GSB community who are die-hard Konkani speakers among themselves, yet who offer temple worship in the Sanskrit and occcasionally, the local language, which does not include Konkani (but Kannada). Yet, can we say they are not promoters of the Konkani language ? Certainly not. In fact some of them are far ahead of us in their committment to this cause, while still maintaining their zeal for spoken Konkani without introducing affected pronunciation / accent as our recent church liturgical services indicate.

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  • Lavina Rodrigues, Mangalore/Canada

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Why don't we practice writing in English, like Goans do? Why do we want Devangiri script? Does it serve any purpose? Please don't go back to the stone age by creating a ban on English Liturgical Services.

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  • Anil,kuwait/Bendore, Mangalore,bendore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    HI! activists of Mangalore,Please leave the system as it is do not be a nuesance in the konkani community, at present people like you very much because of your talent please stop where you are and continue your daily events and family life. we are all very comfortable with the masses in english and konkanni. if possible please introduce a mass in kannada and tulu for the people who are converted and who dont know konkanni or english at least they will be comfortable to pray in their own language to the same god we praise.

    Generation is changing please dont go to the olden times. please improve the villages with modern languages at least the new generation kids there will be in a position to compete with the rest of the world. For praying there is no language please pray in the language you understand and feel comfortable.

    As some one said going for english mass is for style, no one goes to the church for style. they go to pray. you just go pray and come please dont look at others.If someone feels he will feel proud if he attends a english mass then let him feel its his choice. he cannot drink always tea ,some time he needs to drink also cofee.lets keep our konkanni alive with news ,dramas, bulletins and website. dont change the system and cause again another havoc. prasie the lord and please pray to him comfortable without any restrictions.

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  • Prem, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Another MNS (Mangalore Navnirman Sena) in the making. No religion or language should be forced. Konkani has it own respectable value and status. Dear Konkani Activists, I appreciate your other works to keep Konkani spirit alive. But, please do something else respectable/responsible instead of this easy way out "BAN English". What about the non-konkani speaking community in Mangalore? Konkani activists, you go to Loose More than GAIN, by this BAN.

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  • Valerian Dalmaida, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Dear Freinds, I love Konkani, but at the same time I dont hate any other language. To speak Konkani at home or not, to pray in English or Konkani or Tulu-leave it to the individuals. Please avoid such publicity stunts. There are more issues like let us organise a solidarity meet in Konkani against the terrorist attack so that we join the mainstream of people. There are lot of ways by which we can spread Konkani all over the world- take for example the Bible on the net in Konkani through the website www.konkanibible.org Dear freinds, lets get united to spread Konkani and lets not divide ourselves. God Bless you

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  • lavina , Kodyal

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    The contributions of Konkani activists in raising the Konkani banner high is definitely praise worthy but this time, it looks like this Konkani mania has gone a bit too far. We are all proud of our language, mind you and will do everything we can to keep it alive in our lives for posterity. However, we live in a democracy and we have to let people make their own choices. Please stop dividing the community on language lines, we are torn apart already. We need leaders who can build bridges, not walls! There are other pressing issues that need our attention. Let us strive to bring peace and harmony in our community. I truly hope and pray that the Bishop of Mangalore uses pastoral reasoning and does not cave in. Let God’s people worship in the language they feel comfortable with. By the way, has anyone even bothered to ask GOD what language he prefers?

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  • Dr Derek Lobo, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I consider myself  a proud Konkani Catholic and always maintained my konkani roots though I have lived in and travelled to many countries. I have also always encouraged and supported programmes that promote the konkani language and culture. However,I am deeply saddened, disappointed, upset and hurt with the resolutions passed because (a) they impinge on the freedom and right of every Catholic to attend Mass or any other service in a language of their choice (b)it deprives non-konkani speaking people who are present in fair numbers in Mangalore from participating in church liturgy in a language they understand (c) it will destroy the cosmopolitan fibre of the Mangalore Catholics (d) it attempts to create a needless and potentially dangerous division among Catholics (e) there is sufficient evidence globally and in India that "forcing" a language is counter-productive. I request my friends  to provide leadership to unite our entire Catholic community at this crucial time when our community, churches & institutions are under attack. Please organise a "Unity Conclave" where we can speak in any language - Konkani, Kannada, Tulu, Hindi or English.

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  • Ancy Paladka, Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    It is a good suggestion Cyril. But someone should take this rational step. Also Goans should change their way of writing in Roman script that is now influenced by Portuguese. We need to adopt a new Roman script writing style which is influenced writing in English. But we need to have a group of like minded charismatic leaders representing different locations to bring this change. - Ancy Paladka Cyril D'Cunha, Mangalore/UAE Tuesday, December 16, 2008 Instead of writing konkani in kannada(devanagiri Lipi) we should practice writing in English, like Goans do. The Konkani lovers will understand English literature and Englsih lovers will learn konkani faster.

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  • ronald d cunha, mangalore/Dubai

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Read the comments by richie john pais again. What he says is correct and logical.

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  • HennyFernandes, Mangalore/Pune

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Hi Jude, Mangalore-Dubai, well said you are one hundred percent right and I have the same opinion as yours. Well done!!

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  • Felix F., India/ME

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    A decade of years ago, there was hardly any worthwhile challenge to Konkani Liturgical services Vs the English Liturgical services. And a decade from now with the globalised younger generation taking charge from us the odler generation, Konkani is bound to take the back seat whether anyone wants it or not.

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  • Edwin D'Souza Kamath, Angeloru

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    English or Konkani. Both are necessary. For some it’s just one language.  English is very rich language. Our religious leaders learn in English and talk in English besides Konkanni. Teach our children in English. Speak to them in Konkanni, thulu, Kannada, Beary, Marathi etc. or allow them to speak to other children in those languages. Remember not all children are good in learning other languages. Don’t use force on them. Allow them to mingle with others.

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  • Ivan Sequeira, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I am sorry to see that the article has been grossly mis-understood. Just read the first sentence carefully with a neutral mind. There is absolute truth in it. There are already 2 groups of church goers in the city. First, people who attend English mass and consider themselves as elite. Second, people who attend the konkani mass who are looked down as poor. The division is already there and the activists have been just trying to address this issue. But I think they have gone too far by calling a ban on English mass. By the way, hello and welcome back. Some determined konkani haters who were long dead, have come back and dancing like mad.

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  • DONY LOBO, Milagres, Doha, Qatar

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    While I have stopped writing on any matter, this particular topic seems to be a very serious one that is forcing me to express my feelings. During my schooling days, for many a years most of the elite people in and around Mangalore used to go to St.Aloysius College Chapel to attend/offer Mass on Sundays. These people were mainly drawn from the “higher society” segment which included the Tea-Coffee Estate Owners. Tile factory owners, retd. ICS or IAS officers, Retd. Government Servants and families, MLAs MPs and their families…. etc etc. And for Christmas Midnight Mass, the whole open air ground where the Mass was offered used to be overfull with these people and their families.

    I learnt from my late Mother that her whole family of 7 used to walk almost everyday early morning from their Balmatta house (currently Yennoppaya’s house) to St.Aloysius Chapel for Mass in her childhood days.(which was around 1920s). The reason why they used to favour going to the St.Aloysius Chapel was obvious and we only need to understand and not discuss…. And it also does not mean that these high society people do not like to speak in Konkany because I myself know that when HMV-House released my first two cassette - Traditional Konkany Songs of Mangalore it was welcomed by almost 100% homes of this segment….and I used to be invited and specifically requested to sing Konkany Songs during any wedding or other major family celebrations. Contrary to the notion that there is no class or cast differentiation among normal Mangalorean Konkany Catholics, especially during marriage proposal time don’t we still today talk in terms of “modvolanso”, “bomnanso” “gowdyanso” …… etc etc. Besides I very clearly remember during my growing days how many of our own priests with pure Konkany background used to prefer to mix and converse freely in English only with the “high class” people and turn their backs on when ordinary people approach to talk to them. However their aristocratic lifestyles changed no sooner they were transferred to outstations and the so called “high society” people subsequently ignored them.

    It was around early-mid sixties with Bishop Raymond Demello’s suggestion that people should be encouraged to go to their own parish churches (especially for Sunday Masses), that first the Milagres Church took the initiative and started the Sunday Mass and so also started the first English Mass choir since around that time…( when I started playing the organ at an young age of 12.) But interestingly the Mass celebrants were from the St.Aloysius College and their Masses and especially their sermons were beautiful and dignified. Interestingly often however, Fr.Dr.(Vidwan) Alexander D’Souza (seen on the dias) who was the Parish Priest for a few years at Milagres also himself used to offer Mass in his beautiful exclusive stylish English. I presume the 8.15 am Mass at Milagres is still hugely popular not only among the English speaking Mangaloreans

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  • Cedric Alvares, Mangalore/Dubai

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Dear Konkani Activists whats the harm if the Liturgy is in English or Konkani. Let there be both. Instead of making a big issue its better to spend your time in uplifting the christians . In Mangalore there are lots of people who are below the poverty line. Make better use of the time to help the poor people by providing employment,education.

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  • robert rosario, aikala

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I whole heartedly support the resolutions made,this will prevent us being called OUTSIDERS by fellow indians! robert rosario,aikala.

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  • Dr Maxim D'Costa, Kinnigoli, Aberdeen

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I appreciate the efforts of Konkani activists to promote Konkani. However dont try to divide the church anymore. Language in the church is a medium to communicate with God. If someone feels better to celebrate mass in English why not give him the opportunity? We all love our mother tongue. When we have an opportunity to celebrate mass in Konkani or Malayalam in Aberdeen(Scotland), local Bishop/Parish Priest encourages us, they dont see it as a threat to English. Please leave church as a place for worship for all people irrespective of language, status or other factors. We have so many other activities in our day to day life where we can promote Konkani.

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  • Anil Lobo, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Dear Konkani Activists I admire your love for Konkani Language.But it is not fair to make a big issue for it.There are many issues to discuss like communal harmony between religions, reducing poverty, creating a just society and so on. It is the responsibility of Bishop to decide which language should be followed in the liturgy. I do love my mother tongue Konkani. I am proud of it.It is good that all konkani speaking people realize the worth of konkani language and work for it.

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  • clement, udupi/uae

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    pradeep,your comments were too good.i had a heartly laugh.thanks

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  • Donald Pinto, Chickmaglure/Abu-Dhabi

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I am Konkani lover but such Activists personally I don’t agree with this event. Instead of this we have so many things to do for our community. Let us not make another unwanted issue among our self .let us teach some thing good & use full to our young generation

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  • Cyril D'Cunha, Mangalore/UAE

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Instead of writing konkani in kannada(devanagiri Lipi) we should practice writing in English, like Goans do. The Konkani lovers will understand English literature and Englsih lovers will learn konkani faster.

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  • M J Shastri, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    They want all the contributions from the English speaking people, but they do not want them to have a choice of language. All these culture vultures who are otherwise idle, are simply exploiting on the sentiments of the mild mannered Konkani people. What next? Konkani chaluvali like Kannada chaluvali or Marati manoos?

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  • Marina, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    God's language is love. We have enough of trouble in our country based on religion, caste, etc. Then why are we dividing ourselves on the basis of language. What is important is prayer and not the language in which we pray. United we stand, divided we fall. Let us remain united as one catholic family. Language should not be the barrier.

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  • leena Alvares, Dubai

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    By doing this the konkani activitis are going to be closer to god than the english speaking people. Fair enough God bless them

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  • Nithan, Bangalore/Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Looking at the incidents that have taken place in and around Mangalore this year I do not agree that his issue needs to be given priority. There are more pressing issues that need attention. In fact this is going to further cause damage as we can see there is already a mixed opinion on this initiative. We need initiatives that will further unite people with focus on humanity which is the supreme religion. Konkani is our Mother tongue and we should use Konkani to have inter-religious dialogues in the costal belt. Parents should first start to communicate with their children in Konkani at home and with members in the family and the rest will fall in place. Family is the nucleus.

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  • Jude, Mangalore , Dubai

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Promote konkani, conduct cultural events, worshops, plays, invite people to konkani worshops, publish books and thus create awareness of your mother tongue, but do not force konkani down someone's throat. Force is not the way forward. Annu, Bantwal says that some feel that their status will increase by speaking in English. If that is the case, then so be it. Why are you jealous Mr. Annu. Another comment says that earlier all services were in Latin. Yes, exactly so, which is why the church woke up and changed the laws, thereby making it possible for all people of faith to celebrate mass, and pray in their own language and that includes both konkani and english as also hundreds of other languages across the world. You konkani lovers can go for konkani mass as you like, and the rest will attend and celebrate mass in the language of their choice. I like english mass and so i will keep attending english mass. I don't plan to stop you, so please don't try to stop me.

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  • Rupert Doha, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    When there are so many other ways to keep konkani ALIIVE, promote konkani...This is 21st century...

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  • Terina, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I read all the comments on this article my suggestion is its not right to ban English liturgy because there are many students and other people staying in Manipal, Mangalore those who dnt knw Konkani so what abt them dont they have to attend any mass?  I also agree with sum people saying that we mangloreans are forgetting our language for people from other states other languages are fine but for us mangloreans we should see that we attend konkani mass and teach our children also our mother language.

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  • Louis D Almeida, Manipal

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    EVERY SATURDAY FROM LAST THREE MONTHS KONKANI MASS AT CHRIST CHURCH MANIPAL. MAJORITY KONKANI PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING THE MASS

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  • annu bantwal, abudhabi

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    thats very nice now a day all people thinking that if they attend a English mass their status will go high,even they don't know to say our father.thats very strange. if somebody is doing something good for konkany hundreds of people commenting against them. Hats off to you Mr Eric, Stany,and Dr.edward keep up the spirits,God bless them all

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  • Ladru, Bondel

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    Catholics say Konkani a must in church, Achar imposes introduction of Tulu in school, some others want Hindutva in schools,

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  • MARIAN L. DSOUZA, PERNAL/KUWAIT

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    The argument whether Konkani or English is to be used in our liturgy applies mostly to city based churches. Away from the cities - in semi urban/villages Konkani is still being used during all church activities - mass, hymns, sermons and even in meetings/jamaths etc.

    The respectable gentlemen in the pictures above are all wise/learned men and have reasons to hold this workshop -i.e. their love for Konkani and the fear of Konkani losing it's rightful place among Mangalorean catholic community. No one can dispute their motive.Only thing is that they are over zealous to pass the resolution recommending to consider Konkani as official language for liturgy in Mangalore diocese.What's wrong with that? The slow introduction of English in the liturgy which was deemed both necessary and fashion (style)when it all first started way back (I don't know when).Now it is too late and has reached a point of no return to replace or ban English altogether from the liturgy. What can be done to some extent is to reduce the English services in support of Konkani.

    That is to say live Konkani and let live English.And for those who say they do not understand Konkani I would say What was happening when Latin was the official language and it was used during the mass all over Mangalore diocese? Did we understand anything? Still I bet the church attendance was full and faithful were more devout then rather than at present. Church going today has become a habit and to fulfil the Sunday obligation. It does not matter if the mass is in English,Konkani or any other language!! Definitely language is a binding force and in support of Konkani we Mangalorean catholics need to acknowledge that Konkani is our mother tongue and let each one of us do our bit to save the language by speaking it at home and by teaching it our children and speaking it without fear, shame or reservation (recognised by Govt. of India)whenever there is an opportunity so that we do not allow our mother tongue to die.

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  • Roland,

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    It's not right to blame the leaders pictured. There are many more leaders who have not been pictured who support this movement. Many of these leaders have sent their children to English medium schools, and their children too do not speak konkani.

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  • Roshan Madtha, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I too agree for the debate, most of the churches English Mass started to increase Sunday collection. English Mass already started to create division in community Immediately English Mass need to be banned in all the churches including all religious houses.

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  • Roshan D'Silva, Mangalore/ Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    This article and the divisive conduct of so-called community leaders has really shocked me. I think they need to get a reality check. The point of the second Vatican council was to enhance the experience of the service by enabling people to participate more fully in a language known to them. I guess these guys know Latin really well but that does not hold true for the vast majority of mangaloreans. Based on this behavior we really need to pay more attention to the community organizations we support and question them more on their motivations and policies. Such jingoistic behavior will further alienate and divide our already small community. I am sure the bishop will be able to use his better judgment. Maybe daijiworld can send him a print-out of all these comments so that he has a balanced view.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves , Bannur Puttur/Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Dear Christian brothers and sisters, language is only a medium of understanding. Every person’s desire is to understand mass service plus other matters in their mother tongue. Since India is a multi-lingual society we parents should encourage our children to learn as much languages they can (I say encourage, not force) which is beneficial for his or her future career. Concerning to some commentators, some like English, some like Kannada, some like Konkani, some like Malayalam, some like Tamil etc., etc.. In my opinion there is no such language which is called bad rather every language is having its own goodness and sweetness which is evident only when a person learn, converse and understand the goodness and sweetness of other languages.

    I hope it is very easy to solve this problem. Those people in need of a particular language we have priests from several languages from several states if the priests are willing they can do wonders and solve this problem. But our priests have no time they are engaged in un-spiritual matters. Aaz kaal lok devasponi zala, padri pithisponi zala. (This quotation is hard to digest but true (not all but several). My suggestion is it is good that we conduct Mass in Konkani, English, Kannada, Malayalam and Tamil on Sundays (separate timings). For Easter or for Christmas some churches in the town of Mangalore should be directed to conduct mass in separate, separate languages.

    So that all the children of God hear in their mother tongue not for a show but to satisfy their spiritual needs which is most important. For catechisms we have Rev. Sisters they can conduct in other languages if not can bring/get transfers from some other places. God knows all languages.

    He is not limited to one language like Eric Ozario or some others suggest conducting or learning Konkani only. Nobody should force a language to another. Finally, Dear brothers and sisters a Konkani person, a Kannada person, a Malayalee person, a Tamil person, they all believe in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Son of the living God who loves everyone. That is why my sincere request to language lovers to refrain from and not to make issues about language which are from the evil who wanted to divide the children of God. Just as our Triune God is One, we are all one. God Bless all of you.

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  • Juliana, Dubai/Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Useless !!! these activists are taking us back to stone ages. They all should instead work for upliftment of poor. . Educate the people and not create divisions.

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  • Shanti D' Souza, Kulshekar/Kuwait

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I can read, write & speak in Konkani but my hubby and kids cannot read & write however, they have learnt to speak in Konkani. Just because I’m the jack of this language, I cannot push them to partake in Konkani mass. What is the point if they cannot comprehend what the priest says and respond to it? Holy mass is a participation of both celebrant and we the faithful. It is not a one man show. Dear Konkani activists, we are in Advent season. Why don’t you go around and choose some destitute ones whom you can help without being in limelight and make this Christmas a memorable one. Your names will be written in His book instead of a public forum.

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  • Pradeep, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    The question here raised is whether Konkani should be followed in Liturgical services or not. If one want to send their children to english medium or you want to come up in life by studying english, no one will stop you. You can even speak English at your home. Here the point is whether Konkani mass should be held through out the diocese. After reading so many comments, all I can suggest is to have Konkani mass (if konkani is the official language of Mangalore Diocese) and for English speaking people, they can attend a mass where the Konani Mass is translated to English. The only pain is you have to attend the service for 2 hours minimum (1 hour konkani and 1 hr for translation) and by then "Dukra mas" would have been finished in the market !!

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  • Veena Castelino, Mangalore/New Zealand

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I am from Bombay and I know konkani very well. I still speak to my children in Konkani. Do not create disharmony in the name of religion. Do not force languages. Don't be hypocrites.Your own children should work in Mangalore as going abroad means they have to speak English. Have you all nothing better to do than create disunity. Do you really love God. If you do then be a person of peace.

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  • Jude, Mangalore, Dubai

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    The virus of divisiveness seems to have spread to Mangalore now. I don't know what these people will achieve by this stupidity, and by raking up a non issue. Is it jealousy or inferiority complex?, I am not sure. By this non tolerant attitude, we will only make a large section of the people hate their mother tongue konkani.

    There has been no problem so far with English mass, but this so called organization seems to be hell bent in dividing us. I love konkani,but i also speak english. I attend english mass, but that does not mean that i don't love my mother tongue. I will not pass on the authority to judge my love for my language to any self appointed organization as this.

    My only request to these people is to stop playing with fire, or else it might engulf you. As one reader pointed out most of these leaders on stage studied in english medium schools and so have their children, yet they go about portraying themselves as konkani lovers. I would like to tell them politely not to thrust their individual narrow minded opinions down the throats of the masses. If they love konkani mass let them attend these.

    I like english mass, and i will attend the same. It is my right to do so and therefore i will fight any individual or organization trying to stop me or people like me from doing what we like. We have not stepped on your toes, so please stop trying to step on ours. The modern church is democratic, and if you have your rights, we have ours too.

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  • Jenny, Mangalore / Kuwait

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    I like the idea of shifting English mass from prime time. Just some days back I was thinking about this. When we go on leave I like to attend konkani Mass but at Bendore church morning 8 O'clock Mass is in English which I was always thinking they should have Konkani Mass at that time. Banning English is not a good Idea all have their own choices.

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  • Kevin, Bangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Amazing response to this article!! Kudos to all.. I have something to add onto this topic. We need to save, develop and promote our culture and language. Not by potraying other languages as inferior and banning it. You need to fight it and bring the goodness out to all. Please dont make the Holy Church your battle ground. Instead start scripting and promoting konakni through a dictionary that could be looked up or a translation book from Konkani -> English or vice versa so that we know our language and more important the meaning of it. Adios.. Merry Christmas

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  • Vincent DeSouza, Udupi Suburbs

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    I solely agree with the Konkani campaigners. If English needs to be practiced let the English School children have additional sessions in their English Medium School itself. But their attendance should be must in the church for Catechism (Dotorn), and Holy Mass in Konkani. As per our campaigner’s views -it’s true that our community is divided into two. Mostly Our well spoken English Catholics Brothers and Sisters pay no attention to our Konkani speaking fellow community members in the Gatherings or elsewhere. So we must support for the Cause and let us be united. Latin Liturgy is recommended strongly since throughout the world the Catholics can identify its official dialect.May God Bless us all.

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  • Vinod W E Monteiro, Bangalore

    Wed, Dec 17 2008

    Those who love their mother tongue (Konkani) will teach their children in any way. We can’t force on the people who don’t love Konkani or don’t care about it. To spread the Konkani and avoid the divide we can surely adopt other methods like having the cultural events and competitions on regular basis. People can meet, share and spread Konkani during such programs.

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  • lorsu, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    In Milagres, there is 1 English mass, 1 Malayalam Mass and three Konkani Mass. On feast day and holy week, main liturgy is in Konkani. It is convenient for all of us. Likewise in parishes where English Mass is there, people attend the mass of their convenience. We cannot order people to go for one particular mass. By enforcing something on people, you are driving them away from the mass and church. All these years this problem was not there. Why this sudden change? Who will benefit? When the society is divided, the third party will benefit. Please understand and let us close the matter as withdrawn. I am a suputhr of konkani mai but I speak English when necessary.

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  • Eric Coelho, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    They say Charity Begins at home. I have observed we have become more "ENGLISH SPEAKING KONKANI CATHOLICS".At home we speak in English, Say our Prayers in English and also make our children talk only in English. I remember many years Back someone had said "KONKANI IS A SERVANT'S LANGUAGE" which really shocked me. The said who said was either Insane or was too big to talk the Konkani Language. Hence let us start to speak and say our Prayers at home in Konkani before we ban English in Liturgy in Mangalore Diocese. Conduct a Survey in D.K. and you will find more 60% are speaking and saying their prayers in English. Get to the Roots first.

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  • ronald, barkur

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Yes, Laila (Pinto) is quite right. I had been to the English religious services in Manipal and I fully and peacefully participated in those as one ought to.

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  • Joel, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    After reading this article and the comments I just remembered one of my friend who regularly attend Sunday service in English..( But he don't know proper English), I called him and asked him “why does he attend the English Mass?” He told me 'It will increase my image. And he even told me many of the youngsters attend English Mass just for these reasons…. Funny but true…. '

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  • ronald, barkur

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Speaking in Konkani is natural for me so is the case with English. I often find myself spontaneously replying in Konkani to questions asked by my English-friendly Konkani friends. On the other hand, the level of my attention and involvement (even fervour) during the Latin Mass -which I admittedly do not mostly understand is far more than that when I participate in the Konkani Mass. Reason ? The type of Konkani used in typical liturgy in our parishes is not akin in style to its conversational counterpart The Konkani used in our Liturgy, I feel, is suggestingly (subtly) snooty, sanitized and even doctored, sometimes to be seen as being in sympathy with other religions.

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  • gladys Mudarth, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    You cannot enforce Konkani at gunpoint. Latin will be only soundeffect. The few people who attend mass on Sundays will be put off at this rate. This sounds like the Shivsena rule in Mumbai.

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  • Ashley, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    I have been a staunch supporter of my mother tongue - Konkani for many years. However, I do not endorse the ideas and the resolutions of this kind of a committee.

    1. It has been our superior ability to communicate English which has helped most of us to put food on our table at our homes or foot our bills.

    2. By imposing a language restriction will not help grow stronger faith in God but merely doing Lip-service to the Almighty

    3. The nearest that i can come to agreement on this is to request parishes to shift the English Mass schedule away from prime-time and people who wish to attend English mass may still do so.

    4. We Mangalorean Catholics are known to be crabs who intentionally try and mess and pull our own people off their balance. Let us now not try and create a language divide bigger that what is already existing. This will surely not hold us in good stead when fanatical forces are literally questioning our basic existence in Mangalore.

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  • Fern., Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Looks like we do not require another bunch of language activists in local 'Amchi' style. The surprising part was to find one of the Clergy in participation of this ridiculous and contentious issue of even contemplating to ban an international language - English in our Liturgy. The audience' pic was conspicuous by its absence. If it was scanty in spite of the allurement of a 'free lunch', the response is self-explanatory and already slapped on those over the dais. Are they trying to bring the faithful closer to God or shoo them away in the name of 'language'.. It seems their only aim is to hog the limelight hook or by crook. Finally, may God help our Community!

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  • Rohan D'Souza, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Mr Gerald.for ur information there is no diocsan policy for liturgical language. People in the westeren countires have masses and liturgical services in many languages.. There are so many other important issues that should be attended to. like poverty,family problems, unemployment, the list could go on.. My appeal is, do not divide the comminity....

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  • James D'Souza, Mangalore/USA

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Mangalorean,Indian or Foreigners, let us not restrict our religious practices to languages, God understand every language, We have so many people living in Mangalore now from all over the world and if religious practices and Church functions are restricted to Konkani or so called during prime time(?) many people will stay away from their religious duties and obligations, the so called Activists trying to introduce new system & theories to already existing and peacefully & smoothly moving, it will hurt our society as a whole.

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  • Laila Pinto, Mangalore / Saudi Arabia

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I FELT SAD WHILE READING THE ABOVE ARTICLE. WHY SHOULD ENGLISH LITURGICAL SERVICES BE BANNED ? AS SUCH THE PRESENT GENERATION IS GIVING LESS PRIORITY FOR RELIGION AS THEY HAVE MANY OTHER DISTRACTIONS AND BY CREATING A BAN , IT WILL NOT SERVE ANY PURPOSE BUT ONLY CREATE A FURTHUR BARRIER TO THOSE WHO ARE MORE COMFORTABLE TO AN ENGLISH LITURGICAL SERVICE.

    I BELONGED TO THE MANIPAL PARISH EARLIER WHERE WE HAVE ENGLISH SERVICE, WHICH WAS INTRODUCED MAINLY TO BENEFIT THE STUDENT COMMUNITY WHO CAME FROM ABROAD. SO BEING USED TO ENGLISH SERVICE,I NEVER FEEL OR FELT CONNECTED OR HAVE PARTICIPATED WHOLLY,WHEN OCCASSIONALLY I HAVE TO ATTEND A KONKANI SERVICE. AS FAR AS POSSIBLE I AVOID GOING TO A KONKANI SERVICE.

    WE SHOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO ATTEND THE SERVICE IN THE LANGUAGE ONE FEELS CONNECTED TO. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE LOSING THE LINK WITH OUR MOTHER TONGUE. WE SPEAK WITH OUR CHILDREN ONLY IN KONKANI AS IT IS OUR MOTHER TONGUE AND THAT IS OUR IDENTITY.

    MOST OF THE CATHOLICS FEEL INFERIOR IF THEY SPEAK IN KONKANI. SOME FEEL VERY PROUD WHEN THEIR CHILDREN CANNOT SPEAK IN KONKANI. IMPORTANCE OF KONKANI AS OUR MOTHER TONGUE AND IDENTITY CAN BE PROMOTED BY

    1) CREATING AN AWARENESS BY ARRANGING VARIOUS CULTURAL PROGRAMMES AND

    2)ENCOURAGING CHILDREN TO CONDUCT PROGRAMMES IN KONKANI. PRIORITY FOR KONKANI SHOULD BE CREATED BY OTHER MEANS BUT BY NOT CREATING A BAN ON LITURGICAL SERVICES. IT WILL NEVER SERVE THE PURPOSE.

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  • Austin,Abudhabi, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    This is a menance created by our own people .People who have spoken Konkani all their life .People who have studied in kannada medium . Praise the Lord they are in good situation now in Gulf ,In europe,In USA OR INDIA .They are doing well. Suddenly English becomes a status symbol .Kids talk in english ,sleep in english ,pray in English .This is just a way of expessing their helpnessness .Prayer & Mass ha become only a Medium for people to show status these days .

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  • Norbert, Muscat

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    We had just faced the atrocities on Mangalore, by hooligans invading the same Christians(Konkan) and before healing those wounds without finding any preventive measures or solutions? we are creating within ourselves another issue dividing on the basis of language? does it mean we want create another sect of KHP'S & KUJARANGIS within our community. Please find better ways to address the issue with clear consciousness by innovating new changes in the system by inviting some broad minded wishful thinking. Mahesh, you are right!

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  • Felix F., India/ME

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Dear Dr. Pinto, reading your two reasons to ban English Language, I laughed in private. Just for your information, the day the English Language is banned from the Liturgy in Mangalore, it will be the start of a war. Please don’t meddle with the existing system.

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  • Richard Pinto, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Mangalore is already divided by many languages and caste. No more dispute in the name of language. Konkani is dying language and no point in spending time on this issue. These leaders insist konkani must be used in society and their children are studying in european countries. Why is that ? In that case english meduium schools,colleges in mangalore must be closed by all means and make konkani is their medium of teaching.

    The person who speaks konkani can he get a job in USA or European countries or in the middle east. These leaders should not force the people to speak konkani.Whole world is developed but mangalore is going backward. They say idle mind is devils mind. Do something important which will help the society. Be aware todays world there is freedom of speech and do not take away this from innocent people.Today no english mass, tommorrow no english medium schools, what is next.... Is these leaders taking the reponsibility of our childrens future.

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  • Felix F., India/ME

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Dear Naveen, you have missed the point of contention.Nobody is against speaking konkani nor against any family who wants their children to speak only in Konkani.What many detest is the highanded suggestions to ban english in Liturgy and forcing people to speak konkani.

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  • Richard Pinto, Mangalore/Dubai

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    Mangalore is already divided by many languages and caste. No more dispute in the name of language. Konkani is dying language and no point in spending time on this issue.

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  • Roshan D'costa, Moodbidri/Abudhabi

    Tue, Dec 16 2008

    There are some who think that if they attend mass or follow English they hail from England. I  saw so many konkani speaking people go to english mass in church and they force their children to speak or attend english mass, this is absolutely painful. I saw here so many people opposing this move and writing about "don't divide our community etc etc" I love my konkani till my last breath.I appreciate the konkani prachar sanchalan group for initiating this. I wish them all the best.

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  • Naveen, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    If we can teach English to our kids, why not even konkani...??? Let us stop giving excuses. We should be proud to speak Konkani.

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  • Prakash, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I congratulate the team for taking this initiative.For many of them its not an issue but friends let us get up from our sleep and prevent it from being an issue. I do not think there is any one who cannot understand konkani!!!!!! then why  English?????

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  • KARISHMA VAS, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Congaratulations!! Nice start made by the KONKANI PRACHAR SANSHALAN to promote konkani. If muslims can have their preachings in their own mother tongue all over the world, then why can't we catholics follow it.

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  • Mahesh Prabhu, Bajpe/Kuwait

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    To the gentlemen in the pictures , the same people who have elevated to where you are today will not think the same again. Add me on that list. We have gone through hell recently and we did not want this now.Daijiworld.com has audience world over and it is a pity we have washed our dirty linen in public. Planning Konkani musical shows and events is your domain. Please stick on it. It is high time that our community has "one formal leader" and I sincerely wish that position is taken over by tbe honorable Bishop of Mangalore. If all catholics in this planet are ready to accept His Holiness Pope as their senior most leader, then the Managlorean catholic community must rest the decision-making authority with one person. I don't see any other legitmate administrator than the  Bishop of Mangalore. 'Let us not make a division amongst us. I feel more secure in Kuwait (an Islamic country) where we have all languages respected totally at our liturgies in the Kuwaiti churches.. The end result is ,disturbing peace and harmony of our own.

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  • Kiran, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    A good move by the konkani Activist. we need to preserve our language and customs. Most of the people who have expressed thier discomfort towards this issue are from Overseas. Frienz it looks rosy from out just visit the parishes and u will find the discrimination prevailing.

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  • A.D'Cunha Shenoy, Mangaluru

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    A ban on English Liturgy is not necessary, instead all the priests must be given strict directives to offer masses in Konkani. The reason is simple- USE IT or LOSE IT Scenario. The wide use of Konkani beyond our homes is necessary because this is the only way we can preserve the usage. However, there is nothing wrong in offering in Liturgy but in the long run this is not in the best interest of preserving local languages. Perhaps, this is an incentive for the children to undersatnd and learn and use Konkani langauge widely. When somebody can learn English and French why can't the children of Magaloreans make an effort to learn this language. I think we Mangalorean Catholics have an inferiority complex in terms speaking Konkani.

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  • Lourdusamy, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I am not from mangalore but I love everything that is mangalore: the language , culture, cuisine, the fenny and what not. Yet I have not not learnt konkani either to speak or read or write though I know kannada well. Could you lovers of konkani deprive me of attending the holy services in a language that would help me communicate with God with as much piety as you do in konkani? Some educational institutes have introduced konkani as a language instead of kannada, hindi, sanskrit etc. How many children of the lovers of konkani opt for konkani either in the school or college? Love of the mother tongue is the most appreciable. But...

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  • Simon Miranda, Kirem,Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Have you all forgotten Tower of babel story and the origin of all languages? Udenthichea Romanth partun Guspod Gonghol kityak? I love Konkani and I love English too?

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  • Celine, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I wonder why these 'Konkani Activists' waste their energy and time on these silly things. There are more productive ways to to improve Konkani language. Are these so called 'Konkani Activists' trying to divide Mangalorean Catholics as 'English Speaking' and 'Konkani Speaking' groups? It looks to me they are running a drive against English language ! then why use English language websites to publicise their issues? How many of these 'Konkani Activists' are practising or promoting konkani language in their homes or families, as they preach to the community?? My sincere request to these 'Konkani Activists', please do not mix-up religion with language and divide the Mangalorean community on the ground of language.

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  • Dr Gerald Pinto, kallianpur

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Konkani Sangatan Udupi District will fully support the move to ban English Lanuage in Liturgy in Mangalore Diocese because of two reasons

    1. Every Diocese has a official language and Parishes has no freedom to over rule the Diocese . If such a thing happens then we have no need of a Diocese and a Bishoand only Parish and arish priest is enough.

    2. In Karnataka it is the Kannada laguage in which mass has to be offered if alternate to English is used. All in Karnataka know Kannada. So Kannada activist will come to the picture and situation of Bangalore and Mysore will come here too. So it is dangerous to change Diocean language policy.

    Dr Gerald Pinto President Konkani Sangatan Udupi District.

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  • Joseph Moras, Bahrain

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Konkani Activists are seeking ban on 'English in Liturgy'in Mangalore Diocese because their main activities are only in Konkani language.As English language is widely spoken and well understood by all literate people and they will participate in English mass better than Konkani mass. Hence it is upto the individual to take advantage to attend English or Konkani mass without interference by others.

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  • ozzie, bendore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    So many views and all have a valid reason. I vote for part of 2nd request ( We appeal to the Bishop ... all the English liturgies in the churches should be shifted to non-prime time) So those who only know english can attend this mass. Which is non prime time ? In bendore there is a english mass at 8 am (Sunday) and many attend it, some of them told me they attend because they have to their kids for 8 am catechism, and dont understand anything about the english mass. when there is not catechism they attend 6.45 am konkani mass. So sometimes people are forced to attend a mass of different language...

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  • Johnel D'Souza, Cascia, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Before reaching Don Bosco Hall, I had lot of questions and some anxiety but after hearing Fr.Pratap, questions and anxiety disappeared. I love my mother-tongue KONKANI as much as I love ENGLISH. Attend Konkani Mass? Yes. But don't discontinue English Mass in our Diocese in whichever church it is permitted to offer. We must have a balanced view. Religion and language are very delicate issues - must not be forced on others. Instead of forcing the bitter medicine, give some sweet syrup which also can cure the desease. Plz don't go to the extreme end but be reasonable.

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  • anitha, mangalore/usa

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    please think about different issues instead of dividing people on language basis. Think something productive. there are different ways to improve konkani and bring people together. give people their freedom.

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  • eugine d cunha, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Dear Konkani Prachar Sanchalan office bearers and memebers.i appriciate your love for konkani language and community. Number of your activities to promote konknai language and culture have become successful. But, as i asses and analyse your present issue of baning English Mass, in my opinion this issue/attempt will not become successful and i request you all, plz do not divide christians on the ground of language.

    I would like to mention certain matters related to this issue.

    1. Religion has no langauage, but devotee/people will decide as to in which lnguage he/she would like to offer prayers.And its the duty of all concerned to repect an indivials wish and right.Since Diocese is an institution, it will decide the medium of litergy as per church rules and regulations.So Konkani Prachar Sanchalan could have disscussed this matter with the concernd diocisen authority before holding this meet and naming it as 'Banning English Mass'.To ban something there should be an authority and power. So now my question is who has the authority and power to ban English Mass?

    2. Welfare,development and identity of a community is not based only on a particular language.A particular language is not everything. A language is only a mode of communication and an instrument to build a communities intergrity.There are many aspects for community's welfare, developemnt and identity, they are education, political, social, economical and cultural development.Only language will not make any community or society a developed one. So lets concentrate on our education, political, social, economic and cultural development. In the mean time lets always remember that konkani is our mother togue and lets keep it alive.

    3. Today our konkani community has developed and people have reached every corner of the world. But this development has not taken place by speaking konkani.How many people have made thier life by speaking, reading and writing only Konknai? Which college teaches konkani? Are there any maths, science, social studies, medical, engineering and law text books in konkani?Who can teach these subjects in konkani? Which government and company conducts entrace test and interview in konkani?

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  • apoline, mangalore, bijai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Almost all the comments above are against your KONKANISATION. I have I have two kids (10th and 1st puc) born and brought up in the gulf, We settled here a year back. They only know spoken Konkani. They are not able to read kannada script and hence don’t want to go to Konkani mass. They don’t want to attend the Konkani catechism as the catechist only speaks in Konkani there. How would you help these children as well as many other children of similar case by KONKANISATION of mass and catechism? Let the konkani be the prime language but please do not stop english mass and english catechism, instead encourage the children to learn catechism in whichever language they intend to learn.

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  • Olin Lasrado, MANGALORE

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    All comments a too good. I am happy that we have the courage to say no to things that are dividing the society. There is no need of Division it is each ones wish and will these activities should join  any other samithy so as to propogate their views. Excellent work readers

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  • grace pinto, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    There are as many as 1652 dialects in India. Is Translating Liturgy in so many languages ever possible?

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  • Dolfred d'Souza, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Yes...we need to save konkani!!! keep it up. Any one who don't understand konkani can learn it. The current scenario demands immediate action to save konkani from extinction.

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  • Roshan Pereira, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    congratulations !!! on finding ways to divide a community which is struggling to exist. I do not endorse this idea of stopping the English service in Mangalore Diocese.

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  • praveen veigas, mangalore/hassan

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    these days its a fasion for the mangaloreans to speeking in english.neither they good in english,nor they do not respect their language.i have observed many of our people who our facinated with the english language and culture.

    If we do not speek our language, do not follow our tradition then who wil save our MAI BAAS? as far as prayer is concerned, one should pray in a language he or she is most comfortable with. why our people not comfort with their mothertongue? why do they like english most.....its just becoz their parents have not tought them the liturgy in mother tongue.if we feel ashame to talk,pray wid our mother tongue,follow the traditions its means we have losed our identity, self respect.in chikmagalore diocese kannada  as the official language for liturgy, konkani masses being cancelled all over the hassan and chikmagalore dist.

    Nothing happens if konkani is d as the offcial language of mangalore diocese.u can learn english, attend the english masses any where in this world, but where you will get konkani? ask the people who are in abroad abt the value of mothertongue.

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  • Lawrence Saldanha, Kanajar/Kuwait

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Dear friends, When I saw this news article this morning, I thought I would be the only one to respond negatively for the resolution but the overwhelming response from people has made my job much easier. All what I want to say now is that it is the Konkani language which has insulated the Word of God from its desired audience. Re

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  • Richie John Pais, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I am surprised. I have visited many countries in the world. There is no ban on any language mass anywhere. In UAE they do not say there should be only mass in Arabic. In Africa too in any langauage mass can be said. This applies to all countries. Some years back I was thinking why the people of Bangalore only are mad when Kannada Tamil mass war began.

    Then came Chikmagalur where Konkani mass was banned. Now some people from Mangalore join the bandwagon to ban English mass.I speak Konkani at home. I love my mother tongue. But I do not hate other langauges. In Chikmagalur Diocese where Konkani mass should be said because majority of them are konkanis, the Bishop says that language of liturgy should be Kananda only. Whenever we read in the newspaper that Konkani mass was said in London or Paris we rejoice. And here we ask the Bishop to ban English mass because we do not care for the people who know only English.

    We do not care about the people who have come here as visitors and students for some years only. If they ban Konkani mass in Bombay will you keep quiet ? The most imporatant thing you have forgotten is- mass should be said in a Vernucular which a person understands. A person speaking Hindi should be given a chance to attend Hindi mass. But it becomes impractical to say mass in hundred langauges. So in some langauges where majority are there, mass can be said. Like In Zambia where lived for a decade the number of official langaauges were 74. Since in all the languages mass could not be said they said it in at least 6 languages.There was no demand for any ban.Please read about what Vatican says on language of Mass.People of Bangalore, Mangalore & Chikmagalur pleasee understand this. Love your language..preserve it but do not tell the church to do this thing. The duty of church is completely different.

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  • T.S.Thomas, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    After reading all these comments, I hope the Konkani activists will start thinking in the right direction. People in general have a great respect for Konkani speaking people for their broadmindedness, great culture and hospitality for others. I am not a konkani speaking person. But I attend konkani mass. Even last saturday, I attended the Konkani mass in Milagres. But if the bishops brings a language policy that only konkani in Mangalore Diocese, it will mean that non-konkani people are not welcomed in Mangalore churches. And I too will lose my interest in Konkani mass. I say this, because I know many malayalis who attend Konkani mass even when there are English masses around. So please dont bring in a "dirty politics" in liturgy in Mangalore as it happens in Bangalore and Mysore. Promote culture, not language.

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  • Sydeny D'souza, Mangalore / Bangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Why not have Kannada Mass instead of English Mass. Even people of other religions can attend and hear the Word of God.

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  • Salvadore V., Mangalore/Bombay

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    We should not be like fish in ponds.Mangalore is a small city or Diocese.But christianity is all over the world.Let us think globally and accept whatever language the people find convenient to pray and worship GOD.Let us respect our mother tongue but donot neglect any other language especially English which is very much necessary for anybody's progress.Donot forget that Christians are broad minded and tolerant.Donot make a issue out of a non issue.

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  • Lavina S. Pinto, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Charles D'Mello, congrats to you. what you said is 100% correct. I have come across many Mangalorean Konkani Catholic parents in the church compound who speaks only English with their kids. I have asked for the reason - simple answer is that they don't know konkani. If you do not teach them how to speak in konkani, how can they understand konknani.

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  • jerry willie, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    konkannanth konkani prachar karyam - devaallaanth devak aradhaan karyam. zankam applya bhashecho mog asa the applya bhashecho mog khandith karthele. ami pelyachi zadthi korchi naka - amchi zadthi zaith thor amchem hanne-bhorap bhair podthelem.

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  • Peter D'souza, Niddodi, Kalina

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Do we really mean what we say or are we following the style of Bal Thackrey/Raj Thackrey to devide the catholic people. I don't know why all the masses were changed from Latin. Peter D'Souza, Kalina, Mumbai

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  • Lynel, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    There is a fine line between stupidity and a sense of national pride. Religion is certainly something not to be confused with linguistics and for a bunch of 50 somethings to try and make it so is wrong on so many levels.

    Religion is the same, irrespective of the language it is preached in. All I can say is that the Konkani activists are using churches, and in turn religion, to promote a language which is clearly in the minority in this state.

    All 3 points stated above are utterly ridiculous. Konkani is not the official language of Mangalore, so being the official language of the diocese is out of the question. More over, if by any weird and absolutely slimmest of possibilities, the language of konkani is employed as 'official', the entire church-going population will by at least 20-30%. And that is being optimistic. As for enforcing the use of Konkani within homes and schools, you are only pushing our community backwards - do you expect organizations to employ people who are well versed in Konkani? Seriously? As for homes, like many have already said - you have no right to decide what language I speak, anywhere, period.

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  • clifford Fernandes, Bajpe

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    God can hear you in any langauage. This is introducing politics into religion . Stop it please.

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  • Keegan, Balmatta - Mangalore / Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I feel these activists can use their time and effort to make Mangalore a better place. Follow up on the municipality to keep the city clean . Language is a tool for communication and as long as a message is conveyed the purpose of the use of language is complete. It is solely the right of the individual to use whichever tool he likes We must applaud our diocese for having made this possible for us.  Take UAE for example, we have  masses in Konkani , Malayalam , French , Arabic and many more languages. What would have happened if they had stuck to liturgy only in Latin or only in Arabic ??   Let us stop this dangerous game before it goes out of control.

     

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  • arthur, Belthanagady/Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    good move, provided there is a honest approach. if malayalees can have a mass in malayalam and even in gulf , y cant we mangloreans attend a mass in our mother tongue.Most of the time , we use any konkani related functions just to develop our contacts, business

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  • Vinod Dsa, Paladka/saudi arabia

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Bishop & priest of the Mangalore diocese are doing fantatic job towards konkani no need proposing resolution to Bishop . Konkani sahithya academy take resposibility yourself and organize some good kind of Konkani awareness program and stop criticizing/blaming others and other language

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  • Deepthi, USA

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Please Lord, forgive the people who don't know what they are saying and allow the people to attend any mass what ever language they feel comfortable with...

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  • VINOD WIFRED TAURO , MADANTHYAR,DUBAI

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    This is another contraversy, why now ???? Ofcourse we love our mother tongue Konkani, but, Why not devotees cannot practice their faith in any other languages ? As a Christian in faith, being educated Mangaloreans, why we have to impose restrictions on others who are practicing their faith in holy place. Also please do not indulge in personal attacks in our comments which is not fair.Healthy comments and discussion is always good for our community, especially childrens from Gulf, they are born in Gulf, practiced their faith in English does not mean that after going to Mangalore they have to learn everything in Konkani again. Of course this is an individual interest and love towards their culture.

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  • Leenet, sharjah, Bejai, Mangalore / Sharjah

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Stop ruining the peace of mind of our community. Instead try to help the needy or do something fruitful.

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  • savio, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I really feel sad that this day we Konkani speaking are fighting between ourselves forgetting we are christians and language is only a medium to communicate.why a unnecessary problem is created by the people ?Every person has the right to worship God the way he likes.

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  • maxim d costa, chikmagalur

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    hai moza poragitha,please dont mix up languagge and religion.let konkani will be the principle language and english tulu and kannada will be the subsidary language of the mangalore diocese

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  • prescilla fernandes, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Mogachano, aami christavani aatam konkani mees english mees munon kityak zagadchem? Bengluranth kannada and tamil munon ladai javnchi gottunagi? amcho ekvot modunk hem pavanangi? Pl.chintun pole. Ami saglya sansarak hasonk kartav ani atam achristravank hasonk and shanth zallem udak kadvalavunk borem jalem.

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  • Prashanth , Permannur

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    What a Pity ! I feel Sorry for the Konkani Prachar Sanchalan. Even the Publicity of " Lunch " failed to lure the general public. Great ! Mangaloreans are really intelligent. They cannot be so easily lured.

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  • Richard D'souza, Udupi

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    We attend the Church of Our Lady of Sorrows - in Udupi (Adjacent to Diana Restautant)- and we attend the Sunday Service (Mass)and prayers recited in Konkani. And we find nothing wrong with it - However, if we did have a service in English too - it would benefit the present generation children -

    (1)who for your kind information are settled in every other part of the world except in Mangalore or Udupi

    (2) for a simple reason that we Mangloreans have to migrate to other parts of India or the world at large because Mangalore does not offer any job opportunities, and prayers in Konkani alone will not foot your bills and livlihood!

    3) Schools in Mangalore or Udupi do not teach Konkani as a language, as it does not have a script of it's own.

    4) What's the problem to those divided SOB's to even come up with such divisive thinking and schmeing, if Christianity is taught in a common language as English.

    5)In fact when I come down to Udupi, I will certainly facilitate and encourage this generation of Mangaloreans who do not know to read, write, or speak the script Kanada, in which all our prayers and hymns are wirrten in, and who do go to Church because simply because they do not understand Konkani and find the service (mass) very routine and boring, - to come to church and to receive Christ and His teaching, in a language they know and understand and are comfortable with, and in a service that will not only mutter prayers and wind up in 60 minutes flat - but with music, praise, and worship, and with present day interpretation of the teachings of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

    6) If Conditions are applied - especially the language one - the Church will surely loose fellowship - which for your information is already dwindling.

    7) Make following the teachings of Jesus in it's true sense the priority of our Christians (and Non-Christians too if possible)and do not emphasize on whether or not prayers must be said in Konkani.Jesus Christ spoke only Aramic, the New Testament of Bible was only written in Greek - so what in heaven are you folks talking about KONKANI!

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  • Raymond D'Souza, Mangalore/Yelahanka, Bangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    How about adopting the official language of Roman Catholic Church 'Latin'again to solve all these problems?.

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  • Charles D'souza, Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Forgive them Lord for what they are saying...

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  • Placid G. Noronha, Bijai,Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I would like to recall the incident that occurred three decades back in Yeshwanthpur Church, Bangalore on Easter Sunday when the church was virtually turned into a fish market. The voices in the Church reached a crescendo when both Kannadigass and Tamilians started singing hymns and prayers at the top of their voice in their respective languages.  The end result of all this was chaos, sacrilege and loss of sanctity of the day. Many people stopped going to Church thereafter. Do we need the same thing to happen in Mangalore? Of cource, being Mangloreans we have to encourage Konkani. There are ample ways to popularise our language but not by imposing a ban on English which facilitates devotees from other regions to practice their faith.

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  • Sandra, Mangalore, Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    We give only attention to the irrelvent things like language. But has  anybody ever  thought of the idea of making compulsory to undergo HIV test before marriage in our community. This will be very benifical to our society. How many families get ruined because of this. I hope our community leaders could request our Bishop to make it compulsory for the youngsters intending to get married to undergo HIV test.

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  • Darren, Mangalore / Kuwait

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    In Kuwait, for Christmas, Easter etc., we have Mass in English, Konkani, Malayalam, Tamil, Sinhalese, Tagalog (Philipini), Bengali, Maronite, Arabic and so on. We have Mass in all these languages throughout the year on different days too.

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  • Sarita D'Souza, Valencia / Kuwait

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    This is utterly ridiculous. In the gulf children are taught catechism in english and the children's mass is in english. So what do we do when we come down for holidays to Mangalore. Refrain from going to Church ? We are brought up as true Catholics to read and understand the prayers and the liturgy. If we do not understand what is being said and preached, how do we participate in the mass ? My children though they speak konkani at home (It is simple understandable konkani and not the hi-fi language that the konkani activists use)refuse to go for konkani mass when in Mangalore because they do not understand the homily etc. Our humble request to the Bishop of Mangalore is 'please do not listen to these activists'. If you do so, the faithful of the catholic church may get frustrated divert to some other sects and join New Life, Jehovah's witnesses etc...

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  • valerian Pereira, Shirthady/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I believe it is another stupid idea like Amchi mumbai v/s Bombay, Chinnai v/s Madras, Kolkotta v/s Calcutta and bangaluru v/s Bangalore. I request the Leaders not to make Mangalorean Konkani Community a laughing stock.

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  • Thomas Valder, Permude/Bahrain

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    We, Mangalorean Catholics are broad minded, religious & languange tolerants. Let everyone have their own choice to speak to God through the language they feel comfortable. Do not forget our mother tongue. But, do not neglect English which is essential to survive globally.

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  • Reshma D'souza, Loretto/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Dear Activists, Now is the time, we catholics need to be united to fight external force. We have already seen attacks on churches in the past months, which is still alive. Why do we want to create divisions, confusions, among ourselves. Please if you have all the time, try to unite the catholics against others who have an eye on us. Do not waste your time to create rifts in the society.. Please....

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  • Joel, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Hello Malcom D'souza that was a good one... I have all ready started translating "Lavdhathe" in Konkani…. :)

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  • William Lopez, Coorg/ Israel

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    What diffrence if v all r pray in english or konkani..etc, . Why only english mas.. Forget this topic and lets think some other. first v all are indians.let's allow our bishop to decide.

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  • Prashanth D'souza, Mangalore,Kuwait

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    By stopping English mass, we cannot spread konkani. ..to promote konkani we have lot of flatforms...but ristricting the language its really not right...i agree that people coming for english mass dont contribute towards the church activities..but if they can understand only english its no wrong of theirs....its our duty to make them aware their duty towards the church activity n get them involved.....passing the resolution like this is entirely wrong and would develop cracks instead of uniting...example we have got konkani mass in kuwait...and here we have masses in many languages...we try to promote konkani where ever possible...but restricting like this kind of resolution would only worsen the matter...its up to us decide.

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  • Jonathan, Surathkal

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Mangalorean catholics are the only people who are still stuck in the British times, where speaking English was considered a great achievement ! Those times have changed. Every community in India is now educated, but nobody has adapted English as their language except the Mangalorean Catholics. It is high time we respect the local languages and cultures. Other wise we will be hated and targeted by outfits like bajrang. Some people go to English mass for genuine reasons. But many others go there to appear more trendy and rich. English mass has become a place for display !

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  • Pradeep, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Oh have you all noted that the dates mentioned on the background banner is in English ?? Is there any konkani script (or devanagiri) to write numerical figures?? Please help me as I am unaware of this.

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  • Charles D'Mello, Pangala

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I do not think it is a good Idea to ban the liturgy in other languages. Infact we may have to start liturgy in Malayalum and Tamil in the future, because there are people from other states than only mangaloreans in Mangalore. To promote Konkani, only the best way to start speaking konkani at home. Because the child will be at home for two to three years since birth. One it starts going to KG or Balavadi they learn other languages and it is a must to learn other languages to survive in life. If we ingnore English and support only Konkani, we will not progress !!!! If you want to keep konkani alive apart from having a Konkani subject in school, please only request our Mangaloreans to speak Konkani at home !!!! In my Opinion and Experience, I have come across rarely a Mangalorean Shetty who cant speak Tulu and a Malayalee who cant speak Malayalam. You find plenty of Magaloreans who cant speak Konkani.Do not blame the younng generation for not speaking Konkani, blame only the parents !!!! Mother tongue could only be started at home by mother or Parents at home and not by the surrounding community !!! To learn konkani at later stage in school, it is not financially rewarding language at work like German, French, English etc. Hence I urge and request the Mangaloren Catholic parents to start speaking Konkani at home and then once the child is going to school speak in English if you like to do so.

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  • Avic, Mangalore / Oman

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    This is totally time pass matter. If it goes like this Mangalore future will be in DARK. I want to ask one thing in this matter, among the activists how many people are using KONKANI at home & their children are attending Konkani Service? Firstly try to take this step in you own and then come to Society. My sincere request to this committee, don’t let  others  laugh at Mangaloreans.

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  • Silvia, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Everything is going on well amongst the catholics in Mangalore concerning Church services including liturgical and other activities. There is absolutely no need to waste time on matters such as these. There are many other important issues pertaining to the community towards which these people should turn their attention. Its very sad that these activists are bothered about unnecessary issues.

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  • Felician Noronha, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Rather than banning English masses, we should try to strengthen Konkani by using dual scripts (like Devanagari or Roman) for those who do not understand Kannada and encourage People of different Konkani communities to converse in Konkani. Some action Should be taken by the diocese, Otherwise the younger generation might lose interest in our language.

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  • mihikka, india

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    What a bunch of jokers....and who would understand what they are saying if not for this english online paper....get the message??? no more jokes from you guys....and yes what about a konkani santaclaus.with a lungi ..now is the time.. and only konkani sweets this christmas....ha ha ha ho ho ho!!!!!!!

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  • john anthony, mangalore / doha

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I think it is ridiculous bringing in a lnguage issue into relegion. If I go for an English Mass, it just means I as an individual understand and am more comfortable with the English language. It does not mean I hate Konkani. Perhaps, if there were Tamil and Hindi masses in Mangalore, there would be people opting out of English and Konkani masses to attend Tamil masses. This is not because of their hatred for English or Konkani, but just that they are comfortable and are able to understand the language better. Fr. Pratap's suggestion that Latin masses are better, I would like to advise Fr.Pratap, that he being the clergy, would definitely understand that Latin was phased out only because nobody understood the language. Going back in time again, we should also recognise that there were more local Hindu traditional practices which were adapted by Catholics, like throwing of flowers, lighting of traditional oil lamps etc., because it made us understand worship better. Let us stop politicising religion please. As someone commented, there are too many retired people around in Mangalore who have nothing to do except indulge in such divisive activities. I will be retired soon, and hope to join like minded people who can unite not only Christians but non Christians also to form a mass of humanity to move towards their creator. John

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  • Malcom Dsouza, Shirva/Bangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I think we must go back to the Pre Vatican II era and revert back to Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem,, Salutatio Angelica ,GLORIA PATRI, et Filio,Confiteor Deo omnipoténti, Kyrie, eleison, Dóminus vobíscum. Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi.

     Dear Eric and the gang, I am sure you understood nothing of the above. Neither did we, when we attended latin mass when the priest had his back to us. But the difference was, nobody complained. Instead we went hope happy after attending a holy and meaningful mass.

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  • Joel, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Be ready for "KONGLISH" Mass, as it is happening in Bangalore and Mysore.....

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  • Borgiba , Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Kokani is my mother tongue and to tell you frankly I dont know it completely. More than 60% of my konkani has english words. The Dotorn I attended was because I had to receive communion and never have I understood all meanings of the konkani prayers and no one bothered to teach me. Its the same that is happening now to my children but I have decided to teach them Dotorn in english so that i can explain to my children what the prayers mean.I am not ashamed to say this because it is a fact. By learning my schooling in english I very well understand english and its meaning. Konkani is a language for all konkans to converse about. Gents you dont represent the Konkani speaking people of mangalore and surrounding areas. Oh GOD help us!

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  • Alexander Menezes, Karkala/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I applaud the apprehensions raised by RAVI D'souza. My question to him, what difference does it make to him or the dignitories on the dias, if people go to the english mass even if they do not understand English. They can still pray in Konkani. Why the hell on this earth you guys tell people which language to choose while praying. Does people attending english masses in Mangalore make you Jealous, if not then what?? Why do you advocate that English masses timings to be shifted to Non prime time. what difference does it make to you and your beloved dignitories of Konkani. You guys atttend masses in Konkani and praise the lord in Konkani and let others praise the lord in English. God does not make any differneces to his followers if he prays in Konkani or in English...Comon man, Grow up and go and get some englightenment to your already weakening brain.

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  • Irene Pais, Mangalore,India

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Its sad to see the act of"Konkani Activists" to impose Konkani in our liturgy too.Its left to the people which language they are familier/comfortable with to pray and honour God.Who are these activits to impose Konkani language?I remember a few years back the kannadigas in Bangalore made a big 'Galata'about the imposing of the Kannada language in churches.Do we want fight in churches or in worshiping God?Can't these activits understand at least this basic truth.Its our fundamental right to choose what language we want O.K.?Please dont start the division in our society now, which will lead to a very big and serious problem in future.

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  • Lavina S. Pinto, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Its upto the faithful to decide and attend the mass either in Konkani or English. Instead of banning English liturgy, organise konkani programmes in churches and promote the konkani language. People will definitely attend such programmes .

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  • Walter Sequeira, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Dear Eric and the rest. make a visit to Lourdes in France. There is a daily multi-lingual rosary said everyday at 8.00pm. The decades are recited in various languages of the world including Tamil, malayalam and Konkani. Millions of people from all over the world participate but nobody complains. Why don't you learn from this !

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  • HM Pernal, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Speeches , Resolutions all are fine. The Million Dollar question is how many people were present at the meet in spite of publishing in all leading papers that the “ Meeting followed by Eating ( Food ) ” Even in the Report there is not a single snap of audience present. If you refer other Daijiworld Reports there are many snaps of audience. If Konkani Prachar Sanchalan is seeking a Referendum , I think they have got the Answer now. It is crystal clear from the very poor turn out at the meet and the comments posted on Daijiworld that some vested interests are using this language issue in liturgy to gain political mileage from it. And for their selfish motive they are using popular Konkani writers. Now , as they got the answer , better to bury this issue. There is no meaning in discussing it further.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves , Bannur Puttur/Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Christianity is an International Community not related to one place, state or nation but world-wide. Languages should not be a barrier to Christians however parents should encourage children to learn any language which is beneficial for their own future career. Those people, organizations love only one language and impose their ideology upon others are mindless, poisonous people should nip in the bud right now. Already Christians in the North Karnataka and Bangalore are fighting for Kannada and Tamil language mass (Is it good that Christians fighting themselves). Conduct mass in every language depending upon the number of people available in the area so that people will benefit spiritual blessings and grace of God. Priests should not evade from their responsibilities that they are their not for commercial purpose but to save the souls of every human. Utilize your time for the service of the mass. Please remember love for particular language is a provocation from evil who desires God’s children to divide to quarrel themselves.

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  • Ravi D'Souza, Karkal/Bangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I am amazed at the love of our people towards English and hatred of Konkani. This is very dangerous to our society-this is exactly what these leaders are trying to propose. In Mangalore, the English masses have become a symbol of prestige and not a reason for faith. Some people feel they are superior than others when they participate in Eglish masses. They never take part in any of the parish activities they try to identify themselves  as a different breed. Many others go to English mass because it is in prime time. These are the people who do not follow English propely remain mute during the holy mass. When Hindu fundamentalists attacked the convent at Milagres, none of these so called English lovers were seen. Not a single of them joined the protest or went to jail. Now, try to understand what these leaders are telling-they are not asking to ban the English masses, but to shift them from prime time to non-prime time and later to stop them. When to stop..there is no time frame. It only is to be understood that for the real English lovers there can be English masses at non-prime time and the prime time has to be given to mother tongue-Konkani. Hindu puajary use Sanskrit during the poojas, not the English. Muslims still use Arabic, not the English..why we need English to pray? Let the children learn English in the school.Is that not sufficient?

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  • Sheldon D'souza, Bajai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Seeing the People on the stage seem that they are retried or going to be and they have no other better job to do and bring out such topic which will create a rift in catholic community. . It is better they do some better charity works for the community than encourage such topics which will create a rift in the society

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  • William DCunha, Surathkal

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Crazy news! I appreciate Dr Edward and his friends love and committment to keep Konkany alive. But here, I do not understand the motive to do such ‘Samavesh’. I want 2 things to ask these people. 1. U have called upon the public through many konkany magazines and must have spent on publicity also. But I don't see audience at all. Where is the audience photo? U are afraid to show empty chairs to the readers? It is clear that people have completely rejected organizer’s agenda. My 2nd point is, why and how Mr. Eric Ozario can propose the resolutions. . Now, on what eligibility he can propose the resolutions regarding Church proceedings? Moreover there was the President and secretary on the dias, why any of them has not proposed the resolutions.

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  • Pradeep, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Guys, I read the comments and it is a very interseting subject. Just a few thoughts instead of starting blame game towards Konkani / English..Why can't we have Konkani Mass and translate to English or vise versa...Problems solved !! No ill feelings !!

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  • Harold D'cunha, Mangalore, India

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Good thought that encouraging to worship in one’s mother tongue Konkani in Mangalore Catholic churches. My straight forwards question to the organizers and those who shared the dias for this issue is which medium your children are studying or studied?

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  • Llewelyn D'Souza, Puttur-Mallikatta-Sharjah

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Ban on English Liturgy in Mangalore Diocese - When I was a small boy I heard this saying and I still remember "Frog in the well". All supporters of this movement are to be sent to Khandhamal Orissa where they can do a better job there. I am sure that all the supporters' of this movement must have sent their children to famous english medium schools and now they do not want others to improve.  What a pity.

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  • Alexander Menezes, Karkala/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    This is an excellent news to the already battered Konkani people around the world. It appears to me that all the dignatories seated on the dias, advocating the Konkani mass, Konkani Dotorn, Konkani liturji have got no other agenda in their hand. Along with the Global financial meltdown, looks like these peoples minds are also the victim of a total meltdown in thinking. My simple question to these people on the dias, which medium does your children study in the school these days and those of your beloved NRI members of your family, what mass do they attend to in places outside Mangalore. My advise to these people seated on the dias, please do not degrade yourself, and your fame that you earned through your various achivements in your own fields. This will take you no where, rather this movement of yours will leave you wondering in your own backyards. I am not against konkani, rather I am against someone telling me in which language I should pray, I should get my catechism and which language should I be taught chirstian values. I had a great respect for the dignitories pictured on the dias, but now I need to rethink about it. Please pick up some noble causes like advocating the better roads for people of our district, raise awareness among our people on their rights, help thousands of people who needs legal help and awareness as to determine what are their rights in the society. Instead of wasting time in these Konkani Mass, Liturgi etc etc, you would be better rememered if you do the former.

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  • Reyan,, Belthangady, Kuwait

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    We all know the incidents happened/still happening in Mysore and Bangalore where a Xmas and Easter masses are mixture of both Kannada and Tamil laguages. So i am worried that in future in Mangalore the masses will be the mixture of Konkani and English. This is a good move by the activists.

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  • Denzil Fernandes, Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Discussion is good and awareness is also required. But let us not have forced marriages please. The konkani activists can promote their cause but not by suppressing the choice and feelings of others. There are so many church goers who want to attend the services in english only and what do they do if they have to go sit in the church and blink when the service is going on in konkani? If you go to Italy and insist on konkani what will happen? Let us be open minded and universal. Every human being has the right of choice. Don't mix religion with language. This will surely divide our community. Our community has enough on our platter to solve. Someone may even open an English church and others a Konkani church. We don't want another clash please. Time to unite and not divide our people especially during these times of strife.  . Our community should be one and united with both konkani, kannada,tulu and english thriving side by side. Everything good is required from one's cultural heritage and for one's progress in life. Let common sense prevail ! We are all one - don't divide us with your politics of language and religion. Each one and everything should survive side by side peacefully.

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  • Rudolph, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Let us think first as human beings, then as citizens of a democratic country, then as a follower of particular religion, then as a particular linguist group.Language can not dictate terms on religion. If the precedence changes I feel there is a grave mistake. The need of the hour is how can I become a good human being, a good citizen,a good Christian.It is the family values which are to be emphasised on which are eroding in the Mangalorean society. The resolutions taken are unwarranted at this time when antisocial elements are on their heels to take up a chance to enter into the religious matter through these silly issues as they did it in Bangalore few years ago. I am proud to speak Konkani but I don't believe it enforcing on others.

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  • walter lasrado, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Do not mix your konkani activities with religion. Unnecessarily you are dividing the catholics in the name of language. Let us maintain the present status let the catholics use any language for prayers which God can understand. Don"t also forget that English is the language which is the window to the World.

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  • Peter F., Mumbai

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    The enthusiasts seem to cross their boundaries by trying to impose only Konkani in God's worship. Well, promoting one's mother tongue by persuation is perfectly welcome, by all means. But this force, God forbid, in Public Worship smacks of regionalism.

    It is common knowledge that as far as prayer is concerned, one should pray in a language he or she is most comfortable with. Secondly, though I am born and brought up in Mangalore, grew up speaking in my mother tongue, attend Masses and Retreats in Konkani, all of God's flock may not be as lucky due to their own circumstances and affiliations. By the way, when the Gospel was preached in the earliest days did not the Holy Spirit enable the crowd to hear and understand in their own languages? Now, let the faithful decide in which language of worship they do feel are most comfortable with. The large crowds at English Masses in Mangalore city will bear witness to this fact. Cool down!!

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  • Allwyn Noronha, Kuala Lumpur

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Christ came to us all a like no matter what language we speak faith does not change. Why differentiate between english and Konkani. If people do not want to use konkani then you cannot force then to use that language by changing the officail launguge to Konkani we are not encoraging our fath but hindering its progress.

    We must be united in faith and not language. Holy Spirit gives the gift of speaking in tounges and i do not think that Holy Spirit will chnage when it comes to people in manglore.... Think about and stop this nonsence and think about how we can bring all Christaians together under one umbrella. If we are not able to achieve this then we have no right to discuss which language we should use in the litergy.

    Lest not divide the Church any further but work towards bringing peace and harmony in Christain faith by working towards the commoin goal of loving our neighbour........ Parise the Lord.

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  • Kevin, Bangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    AWESOME!!! EXCELLENT!!! TOO GOOD!!! The best demand ever made by sensible Konkani Activits. In the Era where English is equally important to stand up in the world we force a language where only a few people speak. What a way to move forward. Why do we need Bajrang Dal to destroy and divide our churches our Activists are doing it better. Who are the acvitists to decide which language i speak at home??? My house who are they to intrude. Guess it's time for Jesus Chirst to come again to first change the christians and then the world. God Bless!! Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!!

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  • Santosh Bennet Vas, Mangalore / WA

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I hope this is the First and Last of such a meeting. We Christians (particularly Mangalorean) are supposed to be progressive, on the contrary we have a group of people wanting to hog the limelight with some weird ideas & suggestions of Konakani / English Mass. Please leave it to the people to decide whether they want to send their children to English / Konkani / Kannada Catechism and Liturgical Services. We have a secular and democratic set up and each one knows what is best for themselves. Soon we will have this same group advocating Konkani medium schools and having Wedding / Baptism / First communion functions in Konkani - well this will be good for Mr. Eric Ozario and his troupe - they will be in business. Please let us look ahead, while I respect the need for keeping alive our culture / mother tongue, the fact remains that it is the English language which has a wider scope in the long run, be it at liturgical services or at the academic level.

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  • Percy Noronha, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Though the Bishop may have the right to decide in which language the liturgy should be conducted in Mangalore diocese, I do not agree with the 3rd resolution of the so called KONKANI ACTIVISTS - Quote "The Konkani Catholics should speak Konkani in their homes and wherever there are facilities the children should be encouraged to learn Konkani in schools and people should use Konkani in social gatherings" This is simply politics. Such thoughts come to people who want to be in limelight. I don't think we are ROMAN CATHOLICS AND NOT KONKANI CATHOLICS.

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  • wilfred Rego, Siddakatte/ Oman

    Sun, Dec 14 2008

    I think these konkani writers and poets are unnecessarily mixing language and reliegon . The english mass not new in mangalore but now number participants may be increased .And these great konkani leaders talking about groupism english speaking and konkani speaking catholics. I already experienced the mangalore city catholics treating rural catholics ( from Village parishes)inferior way. That also I have experienced in mumbai . As a personal I feel it as language is not important , first you must be comfortable.So dear Konkani writers don't make politics and please don't blame priests.In Mumbai we don't give room for such reasons.

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  • Lily Sequeira, Mangalore/Sydney

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I fully endorse what Savio has said. Reminds me of the time when actor Raj Kumar started his Kannada Chaluvali while his kids were attending English medium schools!! Isn't there enough trouble in this world, including our beloved Mangalore, without creating new issues which may lead to unnecessary unrest. Konkani surely needs to be promoted, mainly by families making it a point to speak in Konkani at home. However, it is a reality that unless you master English, you cannot get ahead in life. Every individual wants to get ahead in life & not stay behind. Even for the people who continue to live in Mangalore & children in English Medium schools, how are they expected to learn Konkni Dotorn & attend Konkni Mees given their load of studies? Guys, I do appreciate your taking up the cause of Konkani but do not make that an issue to create trouble.

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  • Doreen Machado, Mangalore/ Sharjah

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Yes, I do think that Konkani should be promoted and kept alive as our Mother tongue. I am proud of the language. But we should do it in a way which does not put a ban on other languages. We can start by having more Konkani programmes in churches, and thus English masses could be minimized but not done away with completely. A love for the language should be created for all to learn and identify with.

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  • mihikka, india

    Sun, Dec 14 2008

    ....even if 2 or 3 are gathered in my name...i am in the midst of them...(bible)....language issue is a non issue..(tower of babylon)..guys you need to use your time fighting hunger, poverty, homelessness and other such issues.

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  • Angela Rodricks, Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 14 2008

    Dear Konkani activists, Dont you have anything better to do than divide the church based on language now. If you want popularity for your programmes or promote konkani you can do so by organising get-togethers which everyone will readily attend as there is very little for people to do on weekends. We have so many divisions in our society already, do not create new ones. 

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  • joel, Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 14 2008

    Then even ban the Malayalam Mass in some churches...

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  • Joseph Mendonca, Mangalore/Bangalore

    Sun, Dec 14 2008

    Looks like we are all going the same way as others in India in blindly promoting the language issue. While the promotion of Konkani is welcomed, it is totally illogical to stop English service. Whenever we visit Mangalore we attend the English service since my children attended english catechism in Mumbai and Bangalore. And then most of the people who are propogating Konkani only diktat are themselves make sure that their children are studying in top class english medium schools. So I feel this is also politics in the name of language and religion. There are more pressing social issues. Please try and solve them. There is no difference between you and the other politicians

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  • BLANCH NORONHA, MUMBAI

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    VERY PAINFUL TO SEE OUR OWN PEOPLE BEING A PART OF CREATING AN ISSUE FOR NO REASON AS TO WHETHER ENGLISH LITURGY SHOULD BE STOPPED THIS IS LIKE AMCHI MUMBAI WHERE THE MAHARASHTRIANS WANT IT TO BE THEIRS AND CREATE PROBLEMS FOR THE OTHERS DEEP DOWN IN REALITY ALL THE LEADERS CHILDREN ARE STUDYING IN INTERNATIONAL SCHOOLS AND PRACTISING ALL WESTERN CULTURE. ALL THE LEADERS IN MANGALORE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON FOCUSSING ON BETTER ISSUES AS TO STRENGTHENING OUR CATHOLIC COMMUNITY THEN TO BRING DIVISION IN LANGUAGES.EVERYONE SHOULD LEARN ALL LANGUAGES AND SHOULD ALSO RESPECT THE SAME AS IT PROVES VERY ESSENTIAL WHEN WE TRAVEL BEYOND OUR OWN VICINITY.

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  • Lotrenzo, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Konkani is a dying language . For other than conversing our konkani lanuage has served no purpose. what does it matter which language you use in churches. I totally support what Savio and madhu have written.

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  • clarence miranda, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Mr. Eric Ozario studied in English meduim at St. Aloysius High School. He gave speeches in English. Of course there was no Konkani medium of education at that time. (I do not think there is now). He also attended his Religion class at St Aloysius in English. Keep up the good work and promote Konkani, but not this way.

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  • Madhu, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    I guess these people have no other work other than come to limelight. An advice for you guys - there are many more important things to attend. do that. after all God is one whether you pray to him in english, konkani or any other language.

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  • Johnson, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Right Step.People should be proud to speak in their mother tongue and English cannot be called mother tongue in any case.Speaking konkani gives us a unique identity.

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  • Lily Pereira, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Our Konkani language should unite people and not divide.We are all aware that 50%of our people are spread all over the globe.and the equal number or perhaps more from other states and even from abroad are residing in Mangalore.You cannot force Konkani on them.For that matter one cannot force any language on anybody.Issues have to be tackled with motivation and love and not by force.We have to maintain our Konkani language but gently.Making it attractive.There is a difference between language lovers and language fanatics. Already there is enough of disturbance, let us not create more.Let not Konkani be a language to divide, but unite

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  • Maxim Lobo, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Looks like a good discussion that can bring about a lot of awareness.

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  • savio marveen, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Fantastic nonsense..!!!! I know all the great Konkani leaders posing on the photograph displayed above.ALL their children studied in English medium schools and take great pride in their English background,including attending English masses in the city churches. It is a hypothetical easy chair discussion on who attends English or Konkani.Please remember it is very important to learn catechism even in English so as to further our knowledge and the scope of reading is much higher.Let Konkani grow on its own.Please accept the fact that it has its own limitation being a regional language.The language bogey raised by these men only fits thier narrow vested interest. You talk about division in the churches ,please understand there is rich-poor divide,village- city divide to name a few.If your logic to be applied here ......then we should make everybody a villager...and everybody poor !!!! then there will be euality !!!Fantastic nonsense indeed.

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  • Felix F., India/ME

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    At a time when Indians are starting a new chapter of unity by putting the communal and regional differences behind and saying we are all Indians, it is the height of stupidity on the part of Konkani Sahitya Academy to divide the catholics as Konkani catholics, and English speaking catholics. I strongly feel that catholic religion be it in Mangalore or anywhere else should not be aligned with any language.Catholics are catholics irrespective of the languages they speak. In mangalore there are catholics whose mother tongues are not just Konkani or english, but also kannada, tulu and so many other languages. If they want to promote Konkani let them start "Konkani Koota" like Tulu Koota or Kannada Sangha etc, and then dictate the Members of the Konkani Koota to speak only in Konkani in homes and schools. Though I come from a Konkani speaking family, I dont support the idea of banning english in liturgy in Mangalore diocese or forcing manglore catholics to speak in Konkani at home and feel that the idea of splitting catholics on the basis of language should be stopped at the bud itself. It will not be a bad idea to gradually promote the state language or national language along with english in the liturgy to bring about the national unity of all the catholics.

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  • PINTO, Mangalore/San Jose

    Mon, Dec 15 2008

    Don't mix religion with linguistic issues. The only reason the church has mass and liturgy in English is because people ask for it. What is wrong with praying in English. I believe you should pray with the language you are most comfortable with. The bigger question is why Catholics in Mangalore prefer English, Our mother tongue is Konkani. I think it is very important to preserve our language, and it should start at home. Manglorean catholics should speak or pray in Konkani because we love to, not because some other language is banned. And as far as praying in Latin is concerned, it is a joke , not a single person understands it.

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