Church of England to Allow Women Bishops


Church of England to Allow Women Bishops

London, Jul 13, (PTI):  After much debate and controversy, the Church of England has decided to allow women to become bishops in the next two years, but traditionalists who opposed the landmark decision say it will lead to many people leaving the church. After the church’s assembly passed the draft legislation, dioceses will now consider the draft, which would let individual bishops allow alternative oversight for traditionalists within each diocese.

Church of England spokesman Lou Henderson said: “The decision to consecrate women as bishops has been taken. Everybody recognised the importance of offering safeguards and assurances to those who find it very difficult (to accept women bishops), but in the end Synod as a whole was not prepared to go as far as the traditionalists would have liked.”
The decision marks a milestone for the governing General Synod, which has been debating the issue for years.

Traditionalist Anglicans opposed the move and sought to impose restrictions on the authority of female bishops, but they were defeated narrowly at the meeting at York University.

Traditionalists, led by the Archbishops of Canterbury and York, had proposed a structure that guaranteed more conservative parishes would be supervised by male bishops and led by male priests but the ruling assembly rejected the proposal.

Unhappy

Bishop Broadhurst, who is the chairman of the Forward in Faith organisation, declined to say whether he would leave the Church of England.But reports say many leading lights of the church were unhappy with the decision.Broadhurst told the BBC: “My organisation has 1,000 priests and about 8,000 lay people in it. None of those priests are happy. Now people have to decide whether they will knuckle under — if they do, that is not a very happy situation for them or the Church — or whether they’ll go, or whether they’ll just defy it, and I can see that happening with many people.”

Rachel Weir of a pro-women bishops group said it was a “momentous” decision.

  

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur/Mangalore

    Fri, Jul 16 2010

    Dear Mr. Ismail, Moodbidri, if you and the Muslims believe Jesus is God that is the end of Islam which will become unbelievable for you all. You have to counter at any cost to preserve your identity/religion. For kind your information May I ask the critics Can any one of them show me from the four Gospels whether Jesus was telling I am not God and do not worship me. Abraham was considered as Forefather of all the generations and Jesus came after Abraham (approx., before 2000 years as of now) and Jesus says before Abraham was I am. How come Jesus says before Abraham was I am? Jesus taught the disciples to pray I quote Luke 11:2 "When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth". Jesus demonstrated I quote from John 10:30 "I and my Father are one". To whom we are praying to Heavenly Father and Jesus said I and my father are one. The Jews were angry about Jesus concerning forgiving of sins of men and they murmured themselves who can forgive the sins except God alone. Luke 5: 21."And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone"? I hope this may suffice your argument.

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  • michael dsouza, mangalore

    Thu, Jul 15 2010

    Women to become bishop is a good move in this rapidely changing environment.I agree with Mr.Edward Monteiro that equality is one aspect,performence of role is different for men & women.Role of a bishop is that of a administrator and it requires inteligence,maturity and experience.To become a bishop one has to undergo atleast 10 yrs of long rigorous preparetory traning followed by 10 to 15 yrs of practical public life in the religious field.If they are fulfiling all the required qualities to become bishop there is no need to disqualify women just because they are women.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Thu, Jul 15 2010

    Felix,

    Kuldeep Kamath calls upon Catholic Women to fight for something that Catholic Church does not allow. I advised him to watch a priest in action before advising on something I am sure he is not aware of. We Catholics have lengthy services which requires a man's stamina I say a woman will not sustain. Going on the moon does not require masculinity but brains.

    A priest's performance on the alter is not a re-play - its a new celebration each time. Try to be in their shoes for the length of just one Sunday Mass instead of congregation you will know what you lost. Even professional performers take a break - our priests don't demand that luxury but lead us worshippers till the end of a ceremony. Appreciate the two roles they play at one time i.e. celebrant as well as a worshiper - all others that you suggested do one job at a time.

    Nevertheless, men are already cribbing for women invading all fields which side of the fence are you ?

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  • Jeevan Tauro , mangalore

    Thu, Jul 15 2010

    Dear Ismail, you have asked a valid and relevant question on Jesus being God and yet he was in agony while he was dying on the cross. The mystery of the Triune god or Trinity has baffled many, including christians. Christian doctorine does not teach that there are three gods but instead , three persons in one God, The father, Son and the Holy Spirit.  'God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son to save the people". Hence the Church believes that Jesus was born not through natural human conception but by the intervention of God. Jesus , however, lived like a normal human being. He grew up a normal child, felt hungry, cried, relied on his parents for protection like any one of us. But he was aware that He had come to fulfil the prophecy. He always had a choice to save himself. But he did not.  It is evident when he cries out to the Lord and asks , " Father if it is Thy will, take this cup( suffering) away from me, yet not my will but Thy will be done."  The Church believes that he rose from the dead on the third day  and ascended into heaven.

    The comforting fact is that many non christians  believe Jesus to be a good man, and a prophet.

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  • Edward R. Monteiro, Kulshekar, Mangalore

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    I agree with Lydia Lobo, Kadri and Mr. Joachim, USA. Equality is one aspect but performance of role is different for men and women. I am for equality but let us not change our roles as men and women. Jesus Christ chose 12 men as Apostles and not women and even though his Mother Mary, Mary Magdeline and other women were following them and still he did not choose women as Apostles. But Jesus gave role for them and for each one us to perform according to our capacity.

    Let us follow the teaching of Christ rather than involving in unnecessary controversies in matter of religion. Remember, Satan's job is to destablize the teaching of Jesus Christ and that is happening today and we see the results in the world which is in turmoil because we do not follow the true spirit of Christ and what was in his mind.We have the Pope who is a successor to St. Peter, the first Pope of the Church of Jesus Christ.

    The Catholics owe allegiance to Pope and his successors in Authority. Remember, The Holy Spirit guides the Pope and the Church. Even though the Satan is very active today in destablizing the Love of God and his true laws preached through Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit guides the Church. The power of Satan will not over power the Holy Spirit, let us not add fire to the turmoil world in which we are living, rather let us live in harmony respecting each other. Jesus Christ, you are the Savior and Redeemer of the human race.

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  • Felix F., India/Ksa

    Thu, Jul 15 2010

    Brother Ismail,
    You being a Muslim, you will be well versed with  the holy Koran. Islam belives Jesus to be a Prophet, and Islam also says that, Jesus will be coming back. Islam also says, any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus as a prophet,  is not a Muslim.  Having said that, you as a Muslim should belive Jesus to be a Prophet. Hence your question to Christians on  how you believe Jesus to be God ,does not hold water.  Since you are accepting Jesus as a prophet without proof, because it is written in the holy Koran as so, Christians do not need proof to accept Jesus as God. The same God who has brought us into this world has limited our knowledge of understanding the existance of the Supreme being and the beginning of the universe. Every existing religion  in the world today believes in God not because they have proof but they are conveninced of the existance of God who created the earth, the universe and all things good.

     

     

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur/Mangalore

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    Adding one more prophetess Luke 2: 36
    And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser:

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  • Joachim, US

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    The Church of England should have been closed when the idea of divine right of kings died in England. The Church of England is the Church of Henry the Eighth not the Church of Jesus Christ.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur/Mangalore

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    I am not against appointing Females as bishops. In the holy bible we are finding Prophetess. When God can provide us prophetess why can't the bishops appoint Females as bishops?
    1) Exhodus 15:20 And Miriam the prophetess.
    2) Judges 4:4 Deborah, a prophetess.
    3) 2 Kings 22:14 Huldah the prophetess,
    4) Nehemiah 6 :14 prophetess Noadiah,
    MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF THEM AND ALL OF US

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  • mukund, mangalore

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    As such, assuming me a part of the clergy, if God personally wants to bestow that power on me as a woman, I would humbly decline and prefer to be a worshiper. - Lydia

    Here you are also assuming 'God' as a personality. Living somewhere in the clouds called Heaven. This idea is from your faith again to which you have converted. Further, you are also assuming that this 'God' needs to be worshipped and praised every day.

    The point all of us are making is the structure of the Church which is just another organization that discriminates between gender. This discrimination has to stop as we are moving forward and not backwards.

    Now, whether the church is the actual representation of the true 'God' .. is a debatable topic.

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  • cyril mathias, udupi

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    God created all men and women equal.Only society discriminates between man and woman.The church which stands for justice must give its approval to this idea of a lady becoming a priest or a bishop.I think it will be good to give them a chance.Mother Theresa would have been the best Bishop as she has done more than many bishops.Unless we allow women to be leaders of the church, we can not conclude whether they are fit or otherwise.Women have excelled men in many areas and they will succeed in the field of religion also.Hope that better sense prevails.

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Thu, Jul 15 2010

    Lydia Lobo: " if God wants to bestow that power on me as a woman,
    I would humbly decline and prefer to be a worshiper".

    How you can say no to God's will in your life? When God tells me to do something, I am greatly
    delighted to obey it, because "obedience is better than sacrifice".

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Thu, Jul 15 2010

    Lydia Lobo: You are born and brought up as a Catholic Church believer, and your view point
    would be strictly based on your environment and nurturing.
    Believers of every denomination will try to prove that their worship, theological doctrine
    and traditions are picture perfect.

    I will not dare to question you:indeed I commend you for your solid stand and faith in your
    Church. When I was young, I used to argue with others about the doctrines in which I strongly
    believed.
    When you have time, please read about some of the great women in Christianity who were used by
    God to start denominations, and other great things for God's kingdom. Traditional Churches
    will definitely oppose to ordaining women as Bishops, but let us open the Bible and see, whether our
    tranditional opposition in that particular subject is Biblical or  not?  While religions were trying to
    oppress the women, Jesus Christ  liberated them two thousand years back, and in Jesus Christ there is no gender discrimination. Jesus Christ is the head of the Church, and Church is the body of Christ.
    Do we want to listen to the head or body?

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  • Ashraf Habibi, DAMMAM,Mangalore

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    Well, let us be honest to admit that men & women have different roles to play..Exchanging of roles is against nature & Law of the God.

    Whereas the structure itself is different we can demand same roles in the name of equality.

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  • Ismail, Moodbidri

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    I am interested to know the doctrine of various religions. Hence, I am reading holy books of other religion and bible, as well. Mr. A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.’s statement, “Jesus was in serious agony hours before his crucifixion” is confused me. You believe that Jesus is God. God is in serious agony! Unbelievable. Can other chritian brothers clarify this?

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    Roy Peter,

    If my knowledge is correct, present Pope is the 263rd, starting from St. Peter. May I know which of them in sequence is a lady pope ?

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  • Roy Peter D'souza, Sharjah / Bangalore

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    I am pretty sure that many of you are not aware that, there were women Pope's in Catholic Churchs. So why make issues when its turn for women Bishops. Guys......its time for us to understand.

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  • V. Thomas, Bahrain

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    Sensible comments Lydia Bai. As written by Mr. Kamath 'Fight for it ladies'. I would say ladies, be a head of religion, but, please do not be a part of terrorism. Christianity stands for love, peace, sharing & sacrifice. Try to solve the differences/problems with dialogue.

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  • Ashraf Habibi, DAMMAM,Mangalore

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    Well,let us be honest to admit that Men & Women have different roles to play....Exchanging the roles is against the nature & the laws set by the God...

    Whereas the structure itself is different ..how can we demand same roles to be played by Men & women..in the name of equality.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    Felix,

    You are aware that our Sunday collections on certain days of the year go to poorest countries to help the people to buy food & medicine, second hand clothing is collected to cover them and volunteers educate these people (that the organizations are labeled to be doing it to convert the people in return is a different issue). If there was no church to arrange the collection while we sleep in comfort, thousands of people somewhere else would have been hungry, sick and shivering naked. Whatever may the politics involving running the organization be, I am glad to have learnt from the church to be giving and caring - aren't you ? No matter what we must always salute the church as entity for her existence and service.

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  • Felix F., India/Ksa

    Thu, Jul 15 2010

    Lydia Lobo, I dont think there is anything wrong in what Mr. Kuldeep Kamath said. What you are talking about a priest who had to celebrate all masses just for one day, is not understandable. That is his job.

    Have you thought about the rest of the people who have to slog from Morning till night everyday. Start thinking from the person who works in the house, drivers, labourers office workers, they work 8 to 12 hours every day, have you sent them any wishes in advance. ?

    Worshiping God is a spiritual experience not hardship as you mentioned. If you are happy doing what you do, then do it. Dont ask others to follow your thoughts, by saying, We should not demand for something just for the sake of equality.

    If as you say, women would have belived that planting sapling was their job, and did not fight for their rights, they would not have been able not only to command aircrafts, be on space missions, leaders in politics, and the like, but can be better than man even when it comes to a mans job like tilling. Have you not seen women driving tractors and other equipment to till and plant single handedly..??

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    Kuldeep,

    You need to see a priest in worship before calling on to women to demand to be in that role.

    Mathew,

    In our parish there are four permanent priests who take turn in celebrating Sunday worship. One day when three of the priests were on assignments outside, just one priest celebrated all masses from morning to evening. Closely associated with him, I know what he underwent on that day. We must understand that beside being a celebrant, a priest is a worshiper as well. It is a huge task to be both. From that day onwards I don't forget to send (priests that I am in contact with) an advance wish for holy week because we know the hardship the rituals accompany.

    As such, assuming me a part of the clergy, if God personally wants to bestow that power on me as a woman, I would humbly decline and prefer to be a worshiper.

    We should not demand for something just for the sake of equality. Take simplest example, tilling is man's job, planting saplings is woman's. One can understand the result of exchanging the roles. Therefore, being attentive for 3-4 hours at a stretch on the altar is not as easy as said.

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Tue, Jul 13 2010

    Years back, when the women were ordained as Priests, some sections of the Church disagreed with that, but many women Priests are now actively participating in the ministry.

    While Jesus was in serious agony hours before his crucifixion, only some women stood with him, but
    even the disciples kept a distance from Him.

    "Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark,
    and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciples.....John 20: 1,2. Then again we read in verses 11 " But Mary stood outside by the tomb weeping, and as she wept she stooped down and looked down to the tomb".

    Mary Magdalane was the first evengelist who proclaimed to the world that Jesus is risen.

    While turning to some books of the New Testament, there are some conditional indications that women
    should be silent in the worship, but there is no specific doctrine that women can't be in the ministry
    simply standing behind men.
    If God has called a person for the ministry with the gifts of the holy spirit, who can stop it.

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  • Kuldeep Kamath, India

    Tue, Jul 13 2010

    When will Catholic Church will allow women to be at least deaconesses. Christ would never have objected to this. It all has to do with power truggle/politics. NO body gives up power on a pattern. So fight for it you ladies.

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  • Felix F., India/Ksa

    Wed, Jul 14 2010

    Religion is between individual and his/her creator. The creator knows how to take care of his creations, without the church and the Bishops. If the church does not know whether to allow women as Bishops or not, and has to debate over it, then what kind of authority and knowledge they posses to preach the word of God.???

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