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Catholic Roce - Doing Away with Animal Cruelty

Feb 15, 2010 

Recently I attended a roce wherein I witnessed a 'Voje' procession where they brought a pig turned upside down with its legs tied to a stave! Everyone enjoyed and had fun when they saw the Voje (the load) coming in. People danced, clicked pictures and were enjoying the scene. In fact the very sight was nauseating to me and I did not have fun seeing this! My eyes were just glued watching this pig in agony throughout the voje procession.  

I could see the pain in the pig’s eyes as it had to take the support of its limbs to carry its body weight! Apart from the pig there were other animals in the Voje procession.  There was a hen which was held gently by a man and a goat which was walking free with one end of the rope around its neck and the other end held by a man. All this was fine except for the torture of the pig which I felt should have been avoided.           

After reaching home I broached this subject with my aunt who gave me some insight about the tradition of catholic marriages. She convinced me saying it has been the tradition way back since the roce ceremony has come into vogue in Catholic weddings.  Despite her trying to convince me I could not agree with this old and inhuman practice of torturing animals.  Just because it is a tradition is it appropriate on our part to amuse ourselves looking at the helpless animal tied upside down and hanging on a stick? I do agree we slaughter animals for our food. At least we don’t see the animals pain that time.  Agreed! The food chain never stops.  It is an ongoing process.  Animals like tiger, lions, cheetah etc., are carnivores animals depending on other animals for their food and it is natural.              

Man has been using animals training them to ride bicycles or jump through a ring of fire in circus. But alas! They don’t have any choice! Man has been very selfish and has been using animals to amuse himself in the process torturing these animals.  I very well know one cannot bring the pig the way a goat is brought in the Voje procession as the pig may bite people or may just run helter- skelter.  But can’t we Catholics stop getting a pig to a roce function at least?  While most of us have stopped this age old practice there are a few who practice this inhuman custom in the name of tradition. 

Hope this article brings in awareness among all those concerned and whenever we see this kind of practice it is our bounden duty to make them understand the futility of putting an end to this macabre practice.  I hope at least in future we don’t get an instance of seeing a pig hanged precariously with its legs tied on a stick with its head upside down !

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by Pearl D’Silva, Bangalore

Comment on this article

  • Danny Dsouza, Mangalore/Mumbai

    Wed, May 21 2014

    Hi,
    I have come across dummy pigs being used in the ceremony. I have heard in Bantwal we get pigs in that form upside down with a pole inbetween its legs in a fiber material made exclusively for this. It almost (98%) looks like the real pig. The pig would cost approximately Rs.5000. This is an one time investment and can be used for all the roce voje processions. Someone pls provide the number of the shop who provides these kind of dummy animals. I have none. But I have seen in my own eyes in Mira Road church, Mumbai.

    Thanks.

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  • Daphne, Canada

    Mon, Jul 9 2012

    Really, Wilson? And how has this article show the Catholic faith in a negative light? I don't see the connection. Wake up, man, the pig on a stave has nothing to do with religion. It is now a redundant tradition!

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  • Charlotte, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 12 2011

    I think wilfred your going off track. Just speak to the point and dont comment for the sake of commenting.

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  • Gladys Mudarth, Mangalore/Canada

    Mon, Aug 30 2010

    Beautiful article...
    Two men could hold one pig in chains and make it walk.
    Ha ha ha..

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  • Michael Corleone, Mangalore

    Sun, Aug 1 2010

    Hey nice great article there Pearl (true eye-opener), I have read some of the criticisms here. This especially goes to Lily & wilfred "Greatest religion among all is humanity" show some humanity to these dumb animals too. I dont expect u guys to quote culture as a reference to undertake such uncivilized and inhumane act. Truly spoken, times have changed now our elders had created lots of so called rules or customs which are now obsolete and sometimes unnecessary. Of course Rules are meant to be broken - why not mend this rule for a better humane & civilized cause? Give it a thought GUYS!!

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  • Lily D'Silva, Mumbai

    Sun, May 9 2010

    Adlya kalar thavn Voje hadchi rivaj amchya purvazani asa kelli then sabar jhan ugdas dovorchak athan rosacha disa dovorthath. Amche purvoz adin gade besai karun jivan sarthale. Vojen hadche mullyar, thanchya gadyanth jhalli dhani, thandul, randvoi, thanchya gharani posulli monzath, munje, kunkda ani dukor, ittyadi, kazaracha ghara kanike rupan vorn divnche. Adlya kalar kutmachani sangatha melon, ekamekak sudarsun kazar karche asullen. Hen kazar asullya gharchyank adaar jhavn ani kutmachin thancho sonthosh ani mog pasarunk, thancho ekvot dakovnk amchya purvazyani asa kelli hi rivaz.
    In the olden days there was no good transport facility like now, thats why people used to carry the pig tied upside down.

    How does a cat carries its kitten to another place? Ofcourse, by its mouth. Can you call it cruelty?.... Think of change of times and act accordingly. People who still observe traditions like to help their loved ones to ease financial burden by way of cash.

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  • Joao,

    Tue, Mar 30 2010

    I think Wilfred has put an unrelated comment which makes no sense at all. Please write on the 'PIG' and leave Mother Teresa alone.

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  • Wilma Baretto, UAE/ Manglore

    Mon, Mar 29 2010

    Hi Pearl
    I liked your article. somehow its true but let me comment on this. After reading this full passage I discovered that you are trying to stop only bringing pigs by hanging upside down into the Roce seremony but you have not written even a single word about stop killing pigs !!!! or stop killing animals. what about other countries they never stop killing animals only Indians pity for animals more than the humon being. Please write an article to stop Rape,murder,robbery which is often happening in India even in Manglore. This is more serious than one pig suffering for 5min in Roce ceremony.

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  • Wilfred, bangalore

    Mon, Mar 29 2010

    Dear Pearl,
    If u have little time please concentrate on fellow human beings who dont have to eat,wear and not able to buy medicine who die everyday. Learn somthing from Mother Teresa. Poor die with pains pls understand them

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  • Leslie Fernandes, Manglore

    Wed, Feb 24 2010

    Hey Why are Mangloreans & Goans so found of Pork , Its forbidden to eat according to the Bible. i dont want to say more on this but i would suggest that Couples should have a simple wedding (use the party moeny for Buying House, or for childrens future, also it can be helped in donating which we all do.

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  • Jasmine Pinto, Shirva / Panjim, Goa

    Tue, Feb 23 2010

    Hats off to Pearl for an excellent article. I highly appreciate her views. It needs a lot of courage to write such an article. Unfortunately many people have disagreed with her. Many have not understood the pain the pig has gone through. Why torture an animal when the couple are going to start their married life.

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  • M Praveen, Belthangady/Abudhabi

    Mon, Feb 22 2010

    I agree & appreciate your views, we have to avoid such tradition. We should follow our culture after reviewing its effects.

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  • Lancy Lobo, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 22 2010

    Mr.Wilson,
    Evereyone has their own opinion to express and you cannot say what she said is bad.She was talking on one thing which looked sad for her and many people agree with it.Don't know what bad about religion she spoke.Read the article and comments again.Well written and a very good article Pearl!

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  • Wilson, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 22 2010

    Dear Pearl D’Silva,
    Be proud of your culture and relegion. People reading this article will see it in negative light, Which you are portraying.
    If you cant say good about your relegion dont say bad even.
    Regards
    Wilson

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  • Krishna, Mangalore/Miami

    Sat, Feb 20 2010

    I love the vegetarian food cooked by my catholic friends...especially on Mother Mary's birthday...yumm

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  • Adolf, Muscat

    Sat, Feb 20 2010

    An interesting article...but by writing such an article u have invoked a wild debate...and everyone has their food for thought...the pig being hung upside down is a cruel sight i agree but so does the shoulders of the ,men carrying the load on the shoulders... it lasts for a short time and it fulfills tradition so its fine by me...it also amazes me that u find that eating pork is much better than seeing a pork being harmed... it means u dont mind killing a pig and eating its meat just to satisfy ur hunger for delicious pork....ur thought is totally ridiculous and baseless...

    You must protest against real cruelty to animals such as poaching...please dont write such articles just for the sake of writing it or gain publicity and support out of it...if u are so worried, then u must set an example by not eating pork or meat and then write a big article...anyways all the best for ur thoughts!!!

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  • denzil, Attur-karkala/manama

    Sat, Feb 20 2010

    Catholic Roce - Doing Away with Animal Cruelty
    hey Pearl D’Silva, it was virtuous Article dear,its depend on the person who accept,well done!!!

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  • Rohan Goveas, mangalore/dubai

    Sat, Feb 20 2010

    I completly agree with pearl what she has been trying to give the message to catholic community.

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  • Rohan Goveas, mangalore/dubai

    Sat, Feb 20 2010

    I completly agree with pearl what she has been trying to give the message to catholic community

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  • Jacintha, Mangalore

    Sat, Feb 20 2010

    Guys, see how much difference of opinion there amongst ourselves on a simple issue in our own tradition. and we are expecting others to embrace christianity,is it OK!

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  • Puranik N B, Mangalore

    Sat, Feb 20 2010

    Roshan, I object you using word "battas". What if I call you "porbu" will you not get hurt!

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  • Rohan, Mangalore

    Sat, Feb 20 2010

    People are born to talk and since she is a girl the potential of feelings are more . who gives importance for people who die from hunger....its better to give importance to people than animals .and perl i belive for your wedding and roce it will be battas catering all veg

    ALL THE BEST

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  • Janet D'souza, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Sat, Feb 20 2010

    Definitely it doesn't need 'an idea' to re-enact something which already happened Mr.Jerome but it definitely needs a business mind to make money out of it! Not so funny!!
    Secondly, prove me otherwise if I am wrong, I really didn't know the guests were being brought to the wedding venue at gunpoint! I always thought guests were free, to accept or not, an invitation!!

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  • Tawood Dhackeray, Palli/Ranganpalke

    Fri, Feb 19 2010

    good article by pearl.. cruelty to animals should be forbidden..but here people are divided themselves..in the good cause..rather animal suffers much during killing upside down than voje procession.. however it's meat is very tasty...

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  • Janet D'souza, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Fri, Feb 19 2010

    Oh my! my! look who is back with vengeance! Mr.Error!
    Oooh! I am so scared! What do I do now? O.K. I give up. You win! I lose! Alright?
    Waste of time!
    About my knowledge about butchery, there is nothing wrong in acquiring knowledge, be it butchery or brewery!
    About your being spokesperson for another gentleman, well, I have given my reply to him. Same holds good to you too!!

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  • Edward Rodrigues, Katapadi/Dubai

    Fri, Feb 19 2010

    Errol Prabhu, Dubai, Dude u need to cool down a bit, we r here to express our opinions on the article by pearl which is an eye opener to every mangi....let's behave in a civilized manner and not give personal comments to anyone....

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  • Jerry Pinto, BANTWAL

    Fri, Feb 19 2010

    In Bangalore also we should start this, for our popularity of beautiful taditional Voje Ceremony. I hope you are not married. If so, how u are going to celebrate your Roce.

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  • KELWYN , MANGALORE

    Fri, Feb 19 2010

    VOJE IS A TRADATION FROM OLDER DAYS VERY FEW PEOPLE FOLLOW IT PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN TRADATION IF SOME ONE FOLLOWS IT THERE IS OBJECTION YES ITS A CURLETY BUT THEY RE NOT KILLING IT RIGHT

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  • Vinod Uchil, Mangalore, Mumbai

    Fri, Feb 19 2010

    Nice article, Pearl D'Silva..But who cares. Religion and tradition should not create hurdle for peaceful existance of human being and animals which the mother earth has created. But this is not the case. We can see this everywhere in our daily life and this we can not change. Just pray to the God and hope for the best.

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  • sharon lobo, mangalore/qatar

    Fri, Feb 19 2010

    hey....gerald!!!!!!!as u said to pearl don waste our time by posting this type of article.......we will read am enjoying even comments from janet dsouza..i feel very nice..her words r very meaningful....

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  • Jeevan Pinto, Mangalore

    Fri, Feb 19 2010

    Nowadays we are too much busy in loving animals and just forget to love human beings.

    Agree

  • peter, chennai

    Fri, Feb 19 2010

    hi,pearl how are u?

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  • Errol Prabhu, mangalore/dubai

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Dear janet abu dhabi,
    From your comments, it is apparently clear that you know a lot about butchery. Congratulations!!

    And as Mr Edward katpady has rightly pointed out 'u should be hung with pigs dancing around you'

    Lastly, as for your comment that am not worthy for a debate let me tell you that you are not exactly debating on daiji instead displaying signs of frustation just like the pig that is hung upside down surrounded by the other commentators on daiji.

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  • moksha, mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Agnello If your religion says that a holy book that is written in human format is the word of god .. then what would you do ?  so your logic does not go well here .. It is Pearl's view.

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  • A.D'Cunah Shenoy, mangaluru

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Cruelty to animals-There is no such thing as "humane killing" may be humane treatment but if one observes humans are worst predators unlike animals.  Whatever bad happens in this world is not because of animals and birds its because we humans are inhuman all the time. Look what is going on in the world because of humans.coming to the point of traditions yes, traditions are contemporary and need to be continued just like any language and culture. THose that argue that culture/ traditions does not matter , perhaps they dont undersatnd the vaue of this.

    Roce is a enjoyable event, all the folk come and celebrate the wedding evening. In villages whole vado/ parsh comes. Its a joyful occasion. And sure pigs are caught that night only to be butcherd next morning by experts. Certainly not danced with. This is little overdoing. Butchering happens in slaughter houses with animals far away from the scene unlike at a wedding. EVen at wedding house a pig or chickens are slaughtered way in the morning. Has anybody seen a chicken being cut?
    Trust me its not fun to look at. Has anybody seen a lion and tiger ripping apart its prey? Its sad to look at. But it goes on.

    Dont be a PETA. Dont create a wave. Its unrealisic. People have lived time immemorial with meat and will continue with it. The so called developed countries are solid meat eaters. At least in India we have very balance. Yes, one becomes vegetarian its all that good but would they?
    Long live the Roce. Its meaningful

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  • JOYCE, UAE

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Dear Rajesh Mendonca,
    most of the catholic weddings serve special vegetarian food also...you could very well enjoy it!

    Agree

  • Gerald, Mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Hi All,
    I think you people are all from moon. For my roce we had the pig carried in a Vojem and slaughtered it at the end of the ceremony. Th pork was used for the wedding next day. Come to terms with the reality and be practical. Pearl if you cant see thing so bad as you have described please close your eyes and relax. Do not write articles for publicity. It has only wasted time of all of the above including me. Please handle these issues with care. We need to and have better things to discuss.

    Agree

  • vinay, mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Clifford Dsouza,there is no need to check Jude pinto's comments he has his opinion and I have my opinion and i feel there is no need to stop this tradition.If you feel you please go ahead and do stop at your family roce we will not object you. We would love to continue this tradition and We will.

    Agree

  • Sudeep, Mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    @Jude pinto did you take survey of young people that they do not like this .To tell you the truth most of my friends like this there is no need some one saying not to continue our traditon lets continue it.when it comes to young children as you think are not so dumb they more coureageous .There is no need to read some dumb comments and come to conculsion to stop our tradition if some one wants let them continue.If they think its not good let them not.I feel we should continue our traditon as there is nothing bad in it.Its always good to keep our tradition alive.

    Agree

  • Jerome DSouza, Mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Janet D'Souza , you say - It is just RE-ENACTING that tradition. Which Tradition ? Why only this Pig Part ? And for Whom ? Is Roce is a drama stage for (RE)ENACTING ? People have no time for this. They are fed up of all this in Mangalore.
    You also say , what is wrong in bringing in the glimpses of the past in the present? Nothing wrong if a documentary is made , sold or shown in cinema hall. Those who are interested will buy ticket , go and watch. But why impose it on guests ? It is wrong.
    If somebody is making business out of it, Fine. But let them not claim that they are preserving and passing on our rich tradition to the generation next.This is wrong. If anybody want to do the business , let them. Let them not claim that they are the custodians of catholic tradition.
    You say - they got the idea first? Who ? The arrangers ? To RE - ENACT , as you put it , anyone needs an IDEA ? Funny.

    Agree

  • Janet D'souza, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    What are you trying to say Jude? Just because professional butchers did the killing the pig didn't suffer? Have you ever seen the pig being butchered? Then be brave and listen to this- the throat is slit first and then the knife is ed in the throat and till the last of the blood flows out ,the knife is churned inside
    and then slowly the pig dies!Not in a second as you assumed!!
    Secondly, consider this- if any person survives any gory accident or natural calamities like earthquake etc. if only he survives even after many fractures or loss of limbs etc. he is thankful to God that at least he is alive! In the same way, the pig too, after its so claimed (by you)
    torture of hanging upside down, if it is ultimately set free, I am sure the pig will be thankful to God that it is alive. But as you said, if it is butchered - ITS LAST CRY FOR LIFE IS SILENCED in a
    fraction of a second (again,as you claimed)!!!!!

    Agree

  • Simon Lobo, Mangalore USA

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    We are at a point, enough has been said and commented by hundreds of your readers in a nice professional manner (at times lost the cool initially and did later apologize for words expressed and personal attacks). Everyone agreed to stop treating animals cruely, specifically a Pig during Roce functions and use friendly ways to carry a pig during traditional Roce functions, if such instances are conducted.

    We are proud of Pearl for her comment today to clarify the issues raised by several readers, except that she has not answered on the offer from PASSKUMAM. Please let us know if you have given any consideration, if applicable, so that we can also attend a Roce soon to enjoy ‘PEZH ANI LONCHEM’ delicacy promised by PASSKUMAM.

    Let us look forward for such Exclusive Specials from Daijiworld so that we can at least exclude people like Nagesh Mamu and other commentators like him in these discussions. For once, after a long time, felt like our Mangalorean community is together in their thoughts and solidarity. Thanks to Pearl and all commentators for their excellent contribution and awarness.

    Let us all sing “Loudeatte Domino….” and say a prayer to Lord our god to end animal cruelty in this world.

    Anyone with new thoughts and ideas for discussions???

    Agree

  • Asha lobo, Mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Very ncie article Pearl.Hats off to you.But it is sad to see people coomenting wrong on it.Indeed this has to be stopped and as Jude Pinto said there are even small kids who see this animal cry and plastic one can be used instead.

    Agree

  • Janet D'souza, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    And Oh Yeah! Darryl, Thanks for the complements.

    Agree

  • Clifford Dsouza, Mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Mr Vinay,
    Jude Pinto's comments are releavant to this topic. Read it and understand why it has to be stopped.

    Agree

  • Jude Pinto, Mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    When slit by the throat it is fraction of a second and the pig dies Janer dsouza.Carrying it for a long time pig suffers more pain.This should be stopped.There are even amall kids at the roce function who see this happening and may get scared.Isn't it correct my fellow readers?When you kill the pig only the butchers are there who have been doing it and it is their profession.But causing pain to the animal infront of an audience involving kids may not ge good.Correct me if am wrong

    Agree

  • Denis, mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Nice to read while eating "dukrache mas"

    Agree

  • Janet D'souza, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    I certainly agree with you Darryl Pinto. I could have been softer in my tone (only when reacting, though!). But I was only commenting on the article because Daijiworld has given me a chance too to express my opinion. But if you will observe carefully,it is some of the readers that attacked me directly rather than understanding that there is no right or wrong in opinions but only difference of opinions and they wouldn't appreciate that! But, whenever it was appropriate, I have conveyed my apologies too!
    About your question as to who is greater, I never underestimated anyone. Both, humans as well as animals are right in their own places. I was just saying that if the pig is hung upside down,it doesn't get hurt and I stand by my claims! When does the pig cry more? When hung upside down or being slit at the throat?

    Since,now I am back at the forum, for those who commented about our tradition being pretended to be followed, I would say that I don't think they are trying to FOLLOW the tradition there but they are just RE-ENACTING that tradition.But then, what is wrong in bringing in the glimpses of the past in the present? If they are making business out of it, so be it! Why be envious? Is it because they got the idea first? Nothing about prodding or hitting the pig was mentioned in the article. So, I took it for granted that the issue was only the pig being hanging upside down!On a personal count, I,too,am against any kind of torture be it to an animal or a human being.

    Agree

  • vinay, mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Its sad to hear pearl's comments earlier that she like to eat pork.From now on when you eat pork please think the way it has been slaughtered and the pain it has gone through you will get the exact picture in you mind how badly it might have been treated by butchers...its called creulty than carrying pig upside down and of course when we are at roce and we hear the pig's cry we feel irritated...that's the reason we want this to stop.... so that we are happy being not getting irritated....In some comments i read only few catholic try to follow this tradition...i feel its not a big issue..Whoever wants to continue let them go with the tradtion...after all its their money and its their celebration...

    Agree

  • dayan, dubai

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    I completly agree with pearl what she has been trying to give the message to catholic community, if we can't stop killing them atleast dont torture them before killing them & talking about the customs & traditions followed by our ancestors,there are some good traditions & customs which they where following try to follow that good things not like this.

    Agree

  • John D'Sa,, Belman

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Dear Antony Crasta, Sydney/Mangalore, Why do you say our forefathers, including mine were foolish & silly??? May be your forefather was foolish & silly….Not ours…....Our forefathers were wise and lived happily.

    Agree

  • Darryl John Pinto, Mangalore, Abudhabi.

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Hi Janet, it certainly takes some valiance to comment like you did on Daijiworld. I also observed that you possess good writing skills.   I wouldn’t negate your comments, but by being soft and putting across views would add to your talent. Pardon me but the response you delivered to some of the gentlemen and ladies around were obnoxious. I probably feel you could have been nicer or unemotional towards comments. All in all we’re fellow mangaloreans

    I also know that there isn’t a great sense of unity among us but still let us not be foes. Let us be grateful that daijiworld has extended a platform to express and exchange thoughts. Why dirty yourself up with muck. Remember

    Great minds discuss Ideas

    Average Minds discuss Events

    Shallow minds discuss people.

    I just wanted to get one answer though, IS PIG GREATER THAN A HUMAN, THAT WE FIGHT FOR IT’S RIGHTS BY FIGHTING AMONG OURSELVES???

    Agree

  • Rohan Denzil Castelino, Mangalore, Abudhabi.

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    Dear Daiji readers......this article has indeed drawn lots of feedback from all quarters, which I conclude is positive. I think the general idea Pearl had in mind is only confined to the scene she witnessed at the wedding and the gentle message to all to stop carrying pig, as it might be painful for some to watch. After reading so many comments let me say this.....WE ARE TALIKNG ABOUT CULTURE HERE AND NOT ABOUT KILLING PIG.

     
    The bottom line goes simple....if you do not wish to carry a pig then dont, but can you also make it walk????? will it listen???? Seriously...... I do not want a pig go on a rampage dancing around:)
    Well....on the other end, I feel our own culture is fading away and is replaced by ready and easy stuff to conclude the marriage occasions due to time constraints, limited number of family members, non co-operation from neighborhood unlike in olden times etc. If carrying a pig would provide some glimpses of our past and how our family elders celebrated their roce, would really be fun to watch…………….

    Agree

  • kiran, Mangalore

    Thu, Feb 18 2010

    I think the Captions given for the article here is pointing out at all catholics and states all are treating animals badly.I have seen in mangalore may be in one marriage season two or three catholic roce might have use pig for the roce.I felt the author should not have used Catholic roce and Animal cruelty as caption instead should have come with some thing better which does not point out all catholics as a whole

    Agree

  • michael dsouza, mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    I appricate ur views expressed by you regarding celebration of roce.Roce is a traditional function to uphold the purity and santity of the bride and the groom.the tortureous carring of the pig on 2 poles no dought adds to the fun and pleasure but at the same time disturbes the nice atmosphere and the feelings of animal loving people.

    Agree

  • Sudeep, mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    By reading some of the comments i feel new Sena will take over in our community.They will say what to do and not to do..I feel if some one wants to go with the tradtion let them do.If some one does not let them not.If you know well in advance there is Pig hanged upside down during the roce do not go for roce.Let the tradition continue untill we all stop slaughtering the pig which is more creul than hanging pig upside down for the roce

    Agree

  • Fr Stephen D'Souza, Bejai, Shirva

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Indeed a good article! Something to ponder upon and make our traditions relevant and menaingful according to the progress of time. Keep it up!

    Agree

  • Antony Crasta, Sydney/Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Dear Sebastian: Thanks for your comments. May be it was Ok to carry the pig on a pole that way in the olden times because of non-availability of proper roads and transportation. But we are talking about the 21st Century man, where every nook and corner there are roads in Mangalore and around, where there is access to the four wheelers (even to my remote ancestral village), upto the home courtyard - at least, the place of the Roce that took place recently would have had one,(where I saw recently the photograph of the pig in the Daijiworld tied and carried that way)!?. Don`t give me that crap Sebastian! Anyway, animal torture is out of the question, and if you must enjoy the fun, you yourself suggest some other alternative way, but make sure the pig doesn`t suffer in the process! Of course, our forefathers, including mine, were foolish and silly, but the difference then was that there was no awareness of animal cruelity like in the modern times and no one was around to question them fo their deeds!. Have a nice day!

    Agree

  • Claud Gonsalves, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Rudy,you sound rude.Do as per your wish cause she cannot change each one of our thinking.I agree with what she has said like most of us here.Well done Pearl!! Keep writing such articles

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  • RUDY, BANTWAL

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    MY ROCE THE VOJE,,, THE PIG WILL NOT BE TAKEN UPSIDE DOWN, I WILL GARLAND THE PIG AND KEEP FOUR BODYGUARDS WITH THE BRASS BAND BRING IT TO MY HOUSE, ARE YOUHAPPY PEARL??

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  • uncle lexi, kavoor

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    THOSE PEOPLE WHO ENJOYED LOOKING AT THAT POOR PIG SHOULD SURELY SUFFFER FROM SOME PAINFUL DISEASE IN THEIR LIFE TO KNOW WHAT PAIN IS ALL ABOUT.

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  • mary, uk

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    I agree with CGS,.Pearl well done. In the name of the game people are seeking the fame. and taking every oppOrtunity to show off their fancy dresses. I wonder who would win the competition.There are many way I suppose to show off the mangalorean tradition ,rather than torturing the swine.I hope the we don't turn out to be swinies one day.

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  • Vijay Prabhu, Kundapur/Mississauga, Canada

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    I totally agree with Miss Pearl's article. The pig should not have been carried 'upside down' on a pole while still alive! It's akin to a man or a woman being tied to a pole being cariied upside down to a 'Roce' ceremony because they are goinng to lose thie 'virginity' next day (I mean Suhaag Raat), whatever that means....Imean if they both (bride and bridegroom) are still 'virgins'....not at the present time I guess.....! Yes, let's not live animals suffer the torment just because of our 'old tradtions'...we got to move forward....to the present!

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  • Rajesh Mendonca, Belman

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Hello Everyone, Why cant we celebrate a catholic wedding without eating non-veg? Lets abolish this pratice & have a wedding celebration with veg items such as chole or paneer dishes or Alu mutter type of dishes. In this way we will not come into contact with any sort of animals & thereby they be on their own living happily.

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  • Rajesh DSilva, Belman/USA

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    The intent of the author of this article is to highlight the animal cruelty(in this case it happens to be a pig) and not to condemn animal slaughter as a means of human food. Just because an animal is our food, we have no right to treat it cruelly before killing it or for any kind of fun. I understand our ancestors had various traditions/rituals in which animals were part of it. The social thinking/awareness of those times differed from today's modern thought. I agree we need to carry forward the tradition/rituals/culture but these need to be refined and adapted to today's times and today's social thinking. Cary forward everything that promotes human life and helps build a positive change in our society.

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  • Agnel Prakash, Pamboor

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Hi, it's Very nice & looks more interesting reading out all the comments on this article. Miss Pearl really expressed her thoughts about catholic Roce & the tradition ( voji)!!!! now a days it's become a fashion & competition among the people in celebration of marriage. we hear talk about the animal cruelty/torture...and its looks us very bad and we act like we are soo.. Sympathetic to them.... and even some one commented like -to train the pig to walk!!! Dear once come out from the dream world!!! forget about the torture to the animals...think about the torture we give to the bride-groom & and their family!!. they do the preparation for the event a month-year ago.. and we don’t even have 4-5 hours to spend with them!!! for the Resper-Mees @ Church...hardly 30-40 people will be there.. where the actual marriage ( sacrament) take place.. and @ hall.. people will come exactly 1.30 pm..M.C want every thing to finish before 3 pm so he can go for the night event. and for the that he is only interested in giving the lunch. Sharp @ 1.30 pm!!!!and all the tradition will be restricted for only close relatives!!!! People who come to watch the function.. will act like they didn't had food from couple of days..a and ICE CREAM from last one year!!!! and after the food!!!! Before the Bride back to hall with sado…People will be at home and only.. a 50-60 close relatives will be there for the rest of the program! WE MUST THINK ON THIS RATHER THAN A PIG!!

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  • walter, mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    It is very sad to note that without grasping the total message educated people are comenting. What kind of tradition are we follwing? Moneyed people have started even to buy tradition for their selfish motives. All good traditions our foretathers followed are vanishing. We are least bothered about it.Rather we are making fun of our tradition. can vogim of hired servents just for the sake of fun and video be called our tradition.Let think in line with kiran Vaz manglore. There is a lot to be taken care of our culture other than this. Let revive our marriage celebrations. Let them project the our ancestors tradition. Let us not just pick something just for the sake of fun and call it tradition.We need to preserve tradition not by doing something through hired servants but out of real love and respect to our forefathers. Pearl carry on your good work of condemning this kind of fake tradition just for the sake of fun

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  • A.D'Cunha Shenoy, Mangaluru

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    In the final analysis the point made in the article is CRUELTY to the PIG.
    We must understand the cruelty to animals birds fish goes on around the world.
    Staring from India, Cock fight(Kori katta), Kambol(kambala), horse racing, moving to the west, rodios, bull fights, game hunting, pleasure fishing, modern methods of agriculure amd animal husbandry, keeping the chicken, cows, pigs in cases to raise them only for the meat, zoos for pleasure(animals are suppose to live freely in their habitat).
    and the list goes on and on.
    This is cruelty as well. So dear [earl what you write may be true that we should not torture/enjoy making the pig hung buy remember when the ban comes to slaughter what are you going to do if you are a meat lover?
    Dear Pearl you have to live in this world somethings you dont like but they are there but you can avoid them. Learn to live.

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  • Charles D Cunha, Borivli - I C Colony

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Good Article.
    I am not against any traditions that are still followed. Those were the days when food for the functions was cooked at home.Now we see people celebrating Roce and wedding in halls and caterer is serving the food.The items came as VOJEM is not used for the next days dinner. So what is the use of this Vojem. It is only a show and mockery of the tradition, and 99% of people who do these shows do not speak KONKANI in their daily conversation.So beter stop all this show offs, if you can not think of your wedding function at home with matov and food cooked at home of the bridal couple.

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  • Melwin, Bantwal/Doha

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Anita, Mumbai / Oman. Thujya kazarak pez aniek lonche matre gee munon.

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  • sudeep, mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    My friends we have third generation like Ashwin Pai from singapore see what is saying he does not respect our tradition.We need to carry forward our traditon if our community.When we all decides not to eat pork then yes we need to stop carrying pig upside down.Like some members already said slaughtering is more cruel than carrying pig upside down.So sorry to ashwin pai he never had a chance to see our culture.Staying in singapore what can he expect so does not know what he is speaking. My god bless this child.I feel we should continue our tradition

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  • Agnello, Mangalore/Muscat

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Dear All,
    If my religion says, go and hurt thy neighbour. I would do away with my religion.
    If my tradition says go and torture that animal, I would do away with that tradition.

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  • Veena Martis, Manglore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Thanks Pearl at least u opened people's eyes i saw how they tortering animal hats off to you after this commence anybody must not show their cruelty

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  • ronald, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Ronald D. Machado, Udyavara, Sharjah, Sir, you still did not get the point. If pearl alone stop eating Pork will that solve the problem?. Pearl has suggested better idea of carrying a plastic pig upside down which looks excellent to me. It is easy for people who are carrying it as it will be light weight.Everyone should think about this idea.

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  • Eulalia D'Souza, Bijai / Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Dear Pearl, well written article. You are right, it is almost cruelty to animals. Whoever is talking about Mangalorean Traditions here, I wonder where were these Traditions few years ago, till this style of Vojem came in picture as a value Added Style, lately..It is nothing but another contract to people who do this as a Business these days. ( I am not aginst somebody's business here please !! )


    We do agree that we kill animals to consume as our food, that is Food Chain, which is fine. But if somebody is talking of keeping up the culture n traditions, they should know Vojem is brought in by neighbours( called as wado - Wadyagaraham) relatives n close family friends & this stuff what is brought as Vojem has to be used for the ceremony, cooked and consumed as food. If one recalls earlier days' weddings were at home n mostly afternoon functions. So Roce day Vojem would be cooked during the entire night for wedding lunch of next day afternoon. This is the meaning of actual Vojem, as far as my knowledge goes. So Pearl, what you say is absolutely right in my opinion.

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  • Sujath Menezes, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Well written article.

    Mahatma Gandhi once said: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated"

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  • Sebastian, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Dear Anthony Crasta, to carry a pig in a small four wheeler cage requires a small road atleast! to get to the venue of a function where people have to cross hills and forests, small streams and fields like how our mangaloreean villages are, that was the only convenient way to carry a pig. Suggest some viable method that could have been used at that time. The point Ms Pearl was trying to make was not to torture the animal before it was killed. there are swift methods of killing animals for food. in the olden days tieing the pig to a stake upside down was the best method. our forefathers were not foolish.

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  • Konkani Abhimani, Kodiyal

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    AMCHI MAATHI....AMCHI BHAAS.
    JAI KONKANI...
    JAI VOJE...

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  • Juliet Vas, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Whats this comment "happily yelling like humans yell when they are tortured badly"
    sudeep, Mangalore Tuesday, February 16, 2010

    Did the pig come and say it is getting hurt or Did some one made some research and tried to get to know the pig language.Pig might be enjoying his ride and happily yelling like humans yell when they are tortured badly.We can see few people doing this may be because they want to make tradition alive.Lets support our tradition.

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  • Janet D'souza, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Merwin Lobo,Mangalore,This English language is beyond your comprehension re baba. Go,look for an exclusively Konkani website for yourself. What is this 'baby child' are you talking about? I have heard of a baby and I have also heard of a child but I have never heard of any baby child! And,secondly,I don't find anywhere in my comments, the comparison of tradition to a 'baby child'. Hope better sense prevails next time you even attempt to comment.
    Edward Rodrigues,katapadi - first of all, in your own words "you are a strong believer in non-violence IN ANY FORM" and at the same time you can't live without "Dukramas"! Obnoxious!!
    Secondly, about your second comment addressed directly to me.Now I will reverse the role for you- how do you suppose the pigs will relish if I cut you up and serve your meat to them? Eat your own words man!
    Some people on this forum comment for the heck of it! They try to push their views on others. Everyone has the right to express his/her own views on any subject.There is no right or wrong in discussions. There is only difference of opinion. Don't call the people who don't agree with your views "sad".What's wrong in enacting the old traditions? You don't have to strictly follow them! It's just a reminder to whoever wishes to see how the marriages in the past were conducted! In the same context, why do people erect replicas of some famous monuments? Why do people even go to see them if they are not original? Do you object to their ideas as well?

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  • Ashwin Pai, singapore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Guys I cant believe people like Sudeep, Mangalore exist. Read what he has to say. He reminds me of the fate of my ancestors in Goa by the Missionaries.

    "Did the pig come and say it is getting hurt or Did some one made some research and tried to get to know the pig language.Pig might be enjoying his ride and happily yelling like humans yell when they are tortured badly.We can see few people doing this may be because they want to make tradition alive.Lets support our tradition."

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  • Jude Pinto, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Sudeep,
    You please go through the article and the comments properly and then advise people whether to continue this tradition for keeping the community united. This only creates chaos in the function.Young generation no longer like to see this.Wake up!

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  • Nithyananda Beskoor, Udupi,Dubai

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Very good article,its good that the writer has shown her love for the animals.My advice to all christian friends to reduce eating pork. I have eaten pork on many occasions. Do all of you agree that the human body odour changes when you eat pork continuosly.Avoid this food as it increases cholestrol also. Try eating other meat on festivals to avoid torture on pigs.

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  • Sudeep, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Lets not fight on this issue.We need to continue for tradition to keep our community united

    Agree

  • Anita, Mumbai / Oman

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    First of all Hats to Pearl for writing this aritcle - God Bless her. Well even I hd seen a photograph in one of the wedding albums on daiji carrying a pig upside down for vogje. It was a pitiable scene. Defenceless animal and v humanbeings torturing them for our fun and pride. What tradition is this? Pl imagine the pain the pig was going through. Torturing an animal that is also for an auspicious program? Animals also hv feelings/ pain/senses/fear and blood like us. Only thing they cannot speak.
    Who is saying dont follow tradition?

    Follow tradition but not at the expense of a defenceless animals. It's tears, pain and fear is not a good omen for an auspicious program. The scene which I hd seen on daiji, the surrounding crowd were enjoying and were like terrorists carrying an hostage. Just all of u put yourself at that pigs place then decide whether Pearl was right or wrong to write this article.
    She never asked for an veg menu for roce and wedding meals. Well her motive was to stop torturing the defenceless animals. Let these defenceless animals live peacefully until their death.

    Whoever passed comments against her article really sad people. Is any couple want to start thier new life with the tears/pain of adefenceless animal.? Pl dont torture animals.

    If u all c a small birds on road side etc, just take it home make it big until it is fit to fly then set it free. God awards them abundantly in many ways. My fly and I hv this experience.

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  • Jawar D'Souza, M'Lore/Doha

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Why not make a cage and carry it.It Seems to be more humane then tying it upside down.

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  • Peter P Saldanha, Pamboor / CA, USA

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Wow!! One way to go veggie is to use the hog to collect truffles (that's what I do in Farmville) I am not sure whether hogs are useful to collect mushrooms, as truffles may not exist in our villages, but it is worth trying.

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  • CGS, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Forget about our culture,tradition, custom etc. Today Vojim Procession has become merely a Fancy Dress competition,or a Farce,or a Comedy Circus!! Congrats to Pearl for her beautiful thoughts on vojim.

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  • Ronald D. Machado, Udyavara, Sharjah.

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    "Practice Before Preach" If the sympathy towards pig is genuine I am with Ms. Pearl. If it is to win an award only I do not know what to say!? and If the sympathy is genuine I am sure slowly but surely Ms. Pearl will stop eating any kind of meat. And once she achieve it she will stop eating vegitable also because it also feel the pain while cutting. and at the end what she is going to eat for survival "SYMPAHTY" .!!!??

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  • Pearl D'Silva, Mangalore/Bangalore

    Wed, Feb 17 2010

    Hi everybody,
    I was going through your comments for the past two days.Many of them have got the sole message of this article what was meant to be conveyed.For the others who think I am against animal slaughter,then you are wrong.I myself like Pork meat and did not ask anyone of you'll to stop eating it.Carrying a Vojem had a meaning in the earlier days where they cooked all the vegetables,pork and fowl what was brought as a gift from the relatives.

    In this modern era,where everything is done through catering is there a need still to hang the pig upside down for fun? For a few funny pictures? Is it necessary? Use a plastic one if u need photos. What type of tradition is this if it is not followed the way it was done earlier? It is more like you are hanging a person and still enjoying the scene! Preserve our tradition,but in the right way.This was the sincere motive of my article.

    Thanks everyone for your support.

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  • H M Pernal, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Good and Matured comment by Mr. Gabriel Vaz, Kulshekar/Bangalore. I fully endorse his view.

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  • Jeevan Lobo, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Mr.Llyod Surathkal, Read what you have written.If this article was wrong it would'nt have been published here.It comes through careful reading and correction of the big editors of this site.Very well written article.Indeed shows how high class tries to show off by torturing an animal.Georgy menezes mangalore I like your comment.good going Pearl.

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  • Kiran Vaz, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Anybody explain me what culture , keeping alive tradition etc is ? Mr. Marcel D'Souza , during earlier times men used to wear only kasti ( komana ) whilst working in the fields. To keep alive the tradition can a bank manager wear it today to Bank , at least once in a year ? Culture keeps changing. Why focus only on the poor pig ? Follow other rituals too to keep alive the great tradition.

    Look at the costumes todays bride and groom wear to church. The dance , march in the hall , do you think is a part of our culture and tradition ? I am opposing the business racket behind saving culture and keeping alive the tradition mask. If Vojem is real and real daiji , baplo , mavlo are doing it it is fine. Why hire event managers ? Please Focus on this issue. Animal cruelty is only secondary to me.

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  • Arun, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    You guys switch on the TV, yeddi has announced that very soon there will be a total ban on all animal slaughter in the state soon, including chicken and pigs. Meat for consumption in the state will be imported from other states. Start being veggies……..

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  • Edward Rodrigues, Katapadi/Dubai

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    we cannot scrap the whole voje tradition its a part of our culture, to make it more user friendly with people of the current generation ,we could probably train the pigs to walk properly in a procesion,then the very need of ulta latkafying the pig would not have arisen.. i may have commented in support of the article, but don't tell me to stop eating dukkar,coz dukramas is my fav!!!!!

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  • Pradeep, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Marcel Souz referring to your article that our ancestors were poor I would say they weren't infact they were rich in many ways. If partaking wholeheartedly with all their generous contributions in the form of Voje in a friends or relatives wedding is poor to you then yea they were poor.
    Todays Voje ceremony is nothing but a showoff, an attempt to have roce of the 'rich' to be different and more pomp than their other 'poor' counterparts

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  • Gabriel Vaz, Kulshekar/Bangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    With all due respect to Marcel M D'Souza,mangaloreanwedding.com, it would be better to accept the fact that Pearl D'Silva is not criticising the ancestors. Also, it does not matter whether she is THIRD, FIFTH OR TENTH generation or animal lover. She merely felt very strongly about the pernicious practice of torturing the pig in the name of tradition during our weddings. Nobody questions the Vojem custom or tradition, which was certainly a good practice of helping the bride/bridegroom's family to share part of the financial burden and labour too.

    But, in the present circumstances, rarely the food is cooked at home. Erecting Maatov, decorations, cooking and all other work involved in our weddings is entrusted to hired labourers/contractors/arrangers/cateres. So is the Vojem. The pig, fowl or even sheep along with vegetables brought in Vojem is never used in weddings. The pig is taken back and most of the times, the vegetables are distributed. Just because our ancestors were following certain customs/traditions based on the then prevailing circumstances, does not mean we should blindly ape them. By doing so, we will be making a mockery of our ancestors. We are in the 21st century. We cannot go back to 18th or 19th century. What is civilisation if we mindlessly imitate something that happened in the past (and well justified) now? Let us not go back but move forward. Pearl D'Silva raised a very valid point, which deserves our full consideration. I fully endorse her views.

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  • Lloyd Dsouza, Surathkal

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Pearl u have tried ur best, but I will completely disagree with u first of all ur heading for this article (Catholic Roce - Doing Away with Animal Cruelty), is wrong bcoz don’t mention our religion name near any cruelty, second ur telling about cruelty for pig in “voje” after voje did u saw how they kill pig if they don’t kill pig or any animal how we can have food for marriage’s.

    If they do it we can have good food and after coming home we can say “ Jewan bore asle”. This is the fact in each home. So in voje they are not harassing pig they just tie the pig upside down bcoz pig cannot be carried straight, by tying pig upside down it will not shout in pain but it tries to escape from there. So u may have thought its paining or harassment for pig…. No ur wrong, it just tries to escape from there by shouting and roaring. Voje is our culture in roce not for harassing, its preparation before marriage. For more details ask ur Aunt again and understand it.

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  • Georgy Menezes, mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Use a Articfical Pig made out of Plastic or Clay during the Voje Ceremony.

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  • Marcel M. D'Souza, mangalorewedding.com, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    For the information of the readers what VOJHEN means:
    Earlier times, our ancestors were engaged mainly in agriculture and they were poor. Whenever a Wedding function was taking place in any house, the relatives’ were attending the function in large numbers and they were staying in the Bride’s/ Bridegroom’s place for many days. It was difficult for the Yezmani to spend so much amount on their stay, during the wedding time. In order to lessen his burden (VOJHEN), the relatives like Fraternal Uncles (Baple), Maternal Uncles, (Mavle), Daughters and Son-in-laws were promising to send the required things to meet the day to day expenses of the guests, and the roce and wedding day meal requirements like Rice, Coconuts, Plantains, Vegetables, Ash gourds, Plantain leaves, Chickens, goat, sheep and the Pig. These things were brought to the venue (matov) by the hired Coolies in a procession on or before the Roce Day with all festivity to the mast sound of the Brass Band.

    Even sometimes, the rich people were engaging the services of TALIM group and the instrument “ Komb” was also used to make it more attractive. When this procession arrives at the venue i.e. matov , with the main person or DAIJI, the Yejmani will welcome him with great respect and after making the announcements (Who has sent What thing or item) the Vojhen will be received by the yezmani. During that time relevant and meaningful voviyos will be sung by the elderly people.
    By mangalorewedding.com

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  • Jude Pinto, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Is it necessary to get the pig to the roce ceremony at all if there is no other means of getting it?? Well done Pearl! People here who speak about tradition are enjoying seeing the animal suffer! Can't change their thinking.They still say tradition and make the animal cry.It would be better if for the next roce they would be carried like that.. Keep writing Pearl!! Very interesting!!

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  • Marcel M. D'Souza, mangalorewedding.com, Pandeshwar,Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    From the article, I can make out that Pearl is ignorant about the traditions and customs which are followed by Catholics during ancient times.
    secondly, She seems to be a Animal lover and Her concern is only inhuman practice of torturing the animal and to stop this practice.
    I would like to say on first point that the traditions & customs made and follwed by our ancestors were good and they are worth following in the years ahead. If I am a second generation person, I think Pearl comes under third generation. Since I have seen and known much about this good tradition and practice, I appreciate it.
    As regards her second concern, in earlier times the pig so brought is finally slaughtered and used as food on the wedding day. That is okay. But in modern times, this is an enactment of that tradition and custom by a group,who are paid for it and they are not going to slaughter the pig in the venue. The solution for this problem is that as somebody commented, If anybody wants to go traditional let them look for something that avoids treating animal in a bad way or stop bringing the pig to the venue, which is only one of the items of the 'Vojhen'. But without knowning the true meaning of the Customs and Traditions of our ancestors, blaming them and asking to stop this custom is sheer ignorance on the part of younger generation.
    I do agree, do away with the cruelty to animals, but please don't do away with the traditions and customs - Machcha Milaar, www.mangalorewedding.com

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  • Marcel M. D'Souza, General Secretary All Banks' Christian Employees Association, Mangalore, Pandeshwar,Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    From the article, I can make out that Pearl is ignorant about the traditions and customs which are followed by Catholics during ancient times.

    secondly, She seems to be a Animal lover and Her concern is only inhuman practice of torturing the animal and to stop this practice.

    I would like to say on first point that the traditions & customs made and follwed by our ancestors were good and they are worth following in the years ahead. If I am a second generation person, I think Pearl comes under third generation. Since I have seen and known much about this good tradition and practice, I appreciate it.

    As regards her second concern, in earlier times the pig so brought is finally slaughtered and used as food on the wedding day. That is okay. But in modern times, this is an enactment of that tradition and custom by a group, who are paid for it and they are not going to slaughter the pig in the venue. The solution for this problem is that as somebody commented, If anybody wants to go traditional let them look for something that avoids treating animal in a bad way or stop bringing the pig to the venue, which is only one of the items of the 'Vojhen'. But without knowning the true meaning of the Customs and Traditions of our ancestors, blaming them and asking to stop this custom is sheer ignorance on the part of younger generation.

    I do agree, do away with the cruelty to animals, but please don't do away with the traditions and customs

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  • Antony Crasta, Mangalore/Sydney, Australia

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Good and sensible comments by you, Jeevan Santhosh D`Silva of Belman and Prakash Melwin of Moodbelle. I love non-veg food too Jeevan, but won`t eat ANY animal like you, even if cooked well! And Sebastian of Mangalore, come on man, these days, there are so many ways one can bring-in the live pig to the forum without torture or inflicting harm if one sincerely tries - see my earlier comments in this regard.

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  • Wolly James, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Hello Pearl.

    Thank you for this good article. I am realy shamed of so many Mangaloreans who are in suport of this barbarian olden type tradition. Cruelty to animals is a very serous crime. Eating meat is ad enough but enjoying animal
    cruelty because of tradition should be banned. If this is not stopped there will be a revolt by
    anti cruelty body against these suporters.

    Wolly James

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  • Edward Rodrigues, Katapadi/Dubai

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Pearl I really appreciate your thought process , I m a strong believer of Non Violence in any form. Homosapiens may be a dominant race in the world , but all living beings have equal right to live in this world and they should be treated with respect. this is for you Janet D'souza, Mangalore/abu dhabi, just imagine yourself being hung upside down with pigs dancing around you!!! how would you feel!!!

    Agree

  • chris, dubai

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Nice one if rama sene comes to know about this then they will ban pig slaughter too

    Agree

  • A.D'Cunah Shenoy, Mangaluru

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Mr. Rajesh Rao, whatever you said is right but plants do have a life. They die if you harm them/torture/cut them.   Animals/fish/birds are living beings but unfortunately they are food for many species including animals. Humans can avoid them.

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  • Neville Fernandez, Mangalore/Antigua

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Nice article. I guess they could not bring the pig as they did the goat, considering that the pig does not have a neck. That besides, there's no excuse to inflict unnecessary pain an an animal in then name of entertainment or tradition.

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  • Jeevan Santhosh D'silva, Belman/Bangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    I love Non Veg Food. I love eating any Animal, if cooked well. I long for Fish and meat at times when i have eaten Veg food over a few days. But Sometimes i wonder do i have a right to Kill an animal to cook and eat ? Do i have a right to cut plants or leaves or fruits to eat ? They have a Life and right to exisit too. At the same time Man cultivates food, vegetables, grains...and rears animals as another source of food too. what is right and what is wrong ? who decides what human should eat and what not ?

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  • Prakash Melwin, Moodubelle,Udupi

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Pearl has expressed her views about bringing in & hurting animals in the traditional ceremony of roce. I remember when I was about 7-8 years old and I wanted to see how they butcher a pig, my elders did not allow me to see that, saying you’ll get scared seeing its blood. Even now I can’t see a chicken’s raw blood. But I prefer non vegetarian food. The reason being when I have my non veg dish, I don’t imagine a pig, beef or chicken. It’s just food. May be bringing a pig or any animal in an inappropriate manner to a roce or any other function can make some people infelicitous. I have seen my cousin’s roce with cutting kuvalo & coconut which is also traditional. If somebody wants to go traditional let them look for something that avoids treating animals in a bad way. The definition of cruelty towards animals depends totally on perception & we need to be careful while using ‘cruelty towards animals’ in public forums.

    Agree

  • BENJAMIN, MANGALORE-OMAN

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Hai Pearl,
    Nice article.An eye opener for those who torture animals before killing them.This can be avoided.

    Agree

  • DJ menezes , karkala

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    good point of view pearl! no cruelty should be practiced ...roce is a joyful event... Make roce joyful to the animals as well ,live them(animals) free into maatoo,then there will be gr8 fun !people will be jumping here ad there, so as animals.i gus! the basic purpose is served "all will be enjoying the freedom human being, so as animals.there will be no cruelty...but one criteria "nouro o hokal should have no objection practicing this, in their roce ceremony"....jokes apart "say no to this sought of practise"its not admiriable.....

    Agree

  • DJ menezes , karkala

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    good point of view pearl! no cruelty should be practiced ...roce is a joyful event... Make roce joyful to the animals as well ,live them(animals) free into maatoo,then there will be gr8 fun !people will be jumping here ad there, so as animals.i gus! the basic purpose is served "all will be enjoying the freedom human being, so as animals.there will be no cruelty...but one criteria "nouro o hokal should have no objection practicing this, in their roce ceremony"....jokes apart "say no to this sought of practise"its not admiriable.....

    Agree

  • A.D'Cunah Shenoy, Mangaluru

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Mr. SAimon LObo, USA. Well said. mgalore traditions are dying and dieng afast death. Okld traditions are very meaningful and may not apply the so called modern lifestyle. Fo example "Vopsun divnche"- giving the bride to the grooms house for the first time may not apply at all where today the girl enters the grooms house even before the marriage as agirl friend. Yes enjoy the tradotions and rejuvinate them. There is no need to dance with the pig.

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  • sudeep, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Did the pig come and say it is getting hurt or Did some one made some research and tried to get to know the pig language.Pig might be enjoying his ride and happily yelling like humans yell when they are tortured badly.We can see few people doing this may be because they want to make tradition alive.Lets support our tradition.

    Agree

  • vinay , mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Clifford Dsouza, I can understand what has been written......before speaking anything first let them practice...stop eating pork or stop slaughtering which is more cruel then tying upside down...is this possible ?...... There is no need for any new so called SENA in our community...stating do not do this or that....We know what to do....we do not need any ones advise...Let our tradition continue.....

    Agree

  • BEN, BAHRAIN

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    I do agree with Mr.Jacko/Kalathure not from UDUPI.But the article was well written and reminding us of the partiality shown towards the Dukor Mama.At least we can handle the pig in some other manner to keep our tradition alive.And we call up on Mr.Jacko with some suggestions to change the world.last december I was involved giving my shoulder to the weight of 35kg Dukor in one of the roce.But after looking at the snaps I felt like a butcher walking behind the GURKAR who leads the procession.Oh..nooooo.not again..
    thanks Pearl for an eye opener...

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  • Sebastian, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    In 1969, my uncle got married and my father sent a "Vojem" in the form of a pig around 80 K.G. Since my uncle's house was far away from road (around 3 K.M.), we had to carry this pig in the same way, how pearl explained it. There was no other alternate method to carry at that time. Today also I do not think any modern method is there to carry it if the place is far away from road. I appreciate the readers instead of discussing to stop this method, stop eating (no mangalorean will do that), please suggest some method to carry it without torturing it. I think this is the best way to carry it.

    Agree

  • Eric D'Cunha, Mangalore/M.P.

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Just because Mangaloreans like pork,the cruelty to the pig cannot be and should not be justified.The practice of carrying a pig in the name of voje is barbaric.Has anybody bothered to see what trauma a pig goes through during such a cruel and ugly display of disgusting practice under the name of tradition.The practice should be condemned by all.

    Agree

  • Rita Pinto, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Pearl,
    Indeed a very good article.Feels even better with all these beautiful comments supporting this great cause.Keep it up! Waiting to see more articles from you.hope your parents are watching you from heaven and will be very happy today.God bless you sweetheart!

    Agree

  • ROY , LORETTO (UK)

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    yeddy ban cow slaughtering already,
    next the pigs have a good days goodluck PEARL

    Agree

  • Rajesh, Manglaore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Simon Lobo, Mangalore USA
    I pity the level of intelligence you have that too AFTER LIVING IN ONE OF THE MOST CIVILISED COUNTYR OF THE WORLD. Enjoy pork if you do not believe in rebirth, i wonder you would enjoy the roche of your loved ones too.

    Agree

  • vincy lobo, pernal/dubai

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Indeed Good Thoughts From Pearl.Just She Explained About Torturing Matter.But Some Brothers&Sisters Has Written "Pearl, Atleast Once Try To Stop Eating Pork.Already In The Bigining Pearl Clearly Mentioned About The Torturing Matter.Atleast She Have Courage To Write A True Article.Pearl,Common..Keep Writing.

    Agree

  • Eric Fernandes, Mangalore/Bangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Pearl,
    This is a dieing tradition practiced mainly rural Mangalore & your article would have opened quite a few eyes. To tell you the fact, I haven't seen it happening for the last 45-50 years.

    Agree

  • V.Baretto, Bantwal-Bangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    I too feel such cruel acts should be stopped forthwith in our community Roce. Thank you for highlighting this.

    Agree

  • Nancy lobo, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Wow!! I have not seen any article getting so many comments within a day's time. Indeed you rock Pearl.Very good article.

    Agree

  • Arons, mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    i too am a animal lover but old traditions are same we cannot tell one to stop them those traditions which have been hidding long back its coming into existence. Am not opposing you bcoz you have dared to speak out the truth but if we consider that then don we hav to think about stop killing and eating chicken, goat, pig, beef etc.

    Agree

  • Arons, mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Pearl your article was very good but your talking about pain of the animal what do you say when we kill and eat animals???????

    Agree

  • Simon Lobo, Mangalore USA

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Pearl and other readers, I was told recently in Mangalore “if you are not paying for such practices, stay away or go away so that others can enjoy who have been planning for years their own wedding plans in traditional Mangalorean way”. I have a brother who is planning for our parents’ 60th wedding anniversary on April 24 this year in 1950 style and has done so much research that I am very proud of his sense of traditional importance to us in our Mangalorean culture.

    Please note that there is a big difference being a Mangalorean and live in Mangalore and being Mangalorean and live outside Mangalore. People who live outside eagerly look forward for attending wedding functions and be part of traditional practices. People like you should attend more Roce functions so that they can request not to carry the pig in the form explained in the article.

    Pearl and those who expressed their desire to write these type of Exclusive articles, keep up the good writing which will expand your horizon of understanding and may improve your point of views based on the feedback from others.

    Also, Pearl, I was delighted to read the offer from PASSKUMAM to you, please let us know if you have given any consideration if applicable, so that we can also attend your Roce soon to enjoy ‘PEZH ANI LONCHEM’ delicacy. Pearl, looking forward to hear from you on your thoughts after listening to those who have your personal contact details and reading all detailed comments on your article.

    Agree

  • Anita Dsilva, Mangalore/Dubai

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Pearl, well written article ...a REMINDER to stop unnecessary torture towards animals.

    Agree

  • Sudeep Vas, Mangalore/Kuwait

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    She has put her views so well.. In fact none of us like the way the pig was being carried in roce functions though very few do it! I liked this article very much..God bless you Pearl!

    Agree

  • Panchoo,Manipal,

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Ms.Pearl D'Silva good article,you dare to differ.We need journlist like you to bring the social changes.Keep writing.

    Agree

  • Herbert Joseph Menezes, Barkur

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Charity starts at home.

    Agree

  • Premila Vas, Mangalore/Sharjah

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Pearl,
    excellent article, its like you've just penned down my thoughts! Only a few days back I was just seeing a Roce album in Daiji & the sight & the plight of this helpless pig tied upside down made me think, do we have to follow these age old traditions to the T?
    I agree, its really good to relive the old traditions in today's modernised wedding ceremonies but I still feel that we can bring about certain pleasant changes wherever required.
    Hats off to you once again for such fabulous thoughts!!

    Agree

  • Janet D'almeida, Moodubelle - Dubai

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Well done job Pearl !!!. Expressing something straightforward is really great. Your article is good indeed. But bad comments here from people who did not understand what was being said. So do not bother… Keep writing Pearl! God bless you.

    Agree

  • Merwin lobo, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    @Janet D'souza:

    You are comparing this tradition to a baby child?

    It is indeed thrilling as you put it. Only problem is, when you continue the thrill for several minutes say, 15 minutes, it does not stand as thrilling anymore, it is torture.

    I pray you don't hang any baby child to give them the 'thrills'.

    Agree

  • Patrick, Bejai,Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Well done Pearl,you had the courage to speak about it.Now i humbly call upon all animal lovers to be a member of ANIMAL CARE TRUST.Log on to our website www.actmangalore.org and see for yourself what we animal lovers are doing.If you wish to visit our shelter VATSALYA at shakthinagar you are most welcome.We need volunteers we need funds.So do help us folks,Pearl you too be a member.

    Agree

  • Simon Lobo, Mangalore USA

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    I was told recently in Mangalore “if you are not paying for such practices, stay away or go away so that others can enjoy who have been planning for years their own wedding plans in traditional Mangalorean way”. I have a brother who is planning for our parents’ 60th wedding anniversary on April 24 this year in 1950 style and has done so much research that I am very proud of his sense of traditional importance to us in our Mangalorean culture.

    Please note that there is a big difference being a Mangalorean and live in Mangalore and being Mangalorean and live outside Mangalore. People who live outside eagerly look forward for attending wedding functions and be part of traditional practices.

    Pearl and those who expressed their desire to write these type of Exclusive articles, keep up the good writing which will expand your horizon of understanding and may improve your point of views based on the feedback from others.

    Also, Pearl, I was delighted to read the offer from PASSKUMAM to you, please let us know if you have given any consideration if applicable, so that we can also attend your Roce soon to enjoy ‘PEZH ANI LONCHEM’ delicacy. Pearl, looking forward to hear from you on your thoughts after listening to those who have your personal contact details and reading all detailed comments on your article.

    Agree

  • Simon Lobo, Mangalore USA

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Pearl and other readers, after resisting several hours not to comment at all, after reading the article on ‘Even as State Considers Cow-slaughter Ban, Buffalos Get Beheaded’ and very hurt to know‘ few minutes ago, animal cruelity has gone to very low point from our traditional practices. The article states six to seven thousand rams and a thousand buffalos got sacrificed at the temple. That too Temple Committee had arranged for such sacrifices and had their own sacrifice of an animal is really alarming to me. This is disgusting and needs to be reviewed by District and State Administration for not being followed such inhumane practices (may be the senseless traditions) in future at the least.

    Pearl, you have expressed beautifully your view point in a language on ‘macabre practice’ that you witnessed and has been very successful to create an awareness on animal cruelty. In the meantime you have also upset several readers who enjoy such traditions and practice them at any cost. There were 157 comments in 32 hours which is a good thing to know where people stand on these types of point of view on our practices.

    Jude and Janet, you had the best comments and three cheers to you both.

    Agree

  • Clifford Dsouza, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    @Vinay Mangalore,who is talking about eating pork here.Read the article several times.No where its mentioned dont eat pork.It clearly says don't get the pig in tht fashion with its legs tied when it does not serve any purpose.Good going Pearl.God bless you!

    Agree

  • Jason, Udupi/Bangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Hi,
    never heard of this tradition. I dont think there will be too many repeats of this. Times are changing and people dont have time to carry a pig through the roce ceremony and slaughter it. So dont worry too much about it.

    Agree

  • Arun Lob, Nirkan, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Hi All,
    Stop debating!! Please suggest better ways to carry the pig and slaughtering. Please dont ask me to stop eating pork, that's my favourite dish and i cannot stop eating it.

    Agree

  • Laxman, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Mahatma Gandhi said "Moral of a country can be judged the way they treat the animals" Our children has to be taught love towards animals at early age.

    Hippocratic west- Sometime back, Hollywood actress boycotted Indian leather seeing cruelty towards animals in the media(publicity stunt).All over the world animals are starved & butchered to fulfill our eating habits. Can we stop this cruelty towards animals since it is happening behind the doors. We can stop this only by educating the people against cruelty towards animals.

     If you believe in re-birth, every meat eater has to go through animal life according to their sin and imagine your soul inside the Pig/sheep etc & you have been tortured. If you feel animal/bird pain one would dare not eat meat. Secondly Plants do not have red blood and pain may be minute or painless. I think God is working on it (cruelty) by sending mad cow/ bird flue etc, diseases to dis-courage people eating animals. God only can save the world. Thank you Pearl D'silva for highlighting this issue.

    Agree

  • vinay, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    @prakash lobo,udayavara.....Lets not fight for no reason....Lets continue our tradition....if some wants to remembers our tradition let them continue....mean while new generation will know how was our tradition earlier....We will never stop eating pork...so lets not feel sorry for few minutes to show our tradition....

    Agree

  • Rajesh Rao, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Every one consider becoming a vegetarian. I am a pure vegetarian etarian because i have compassion for animals, Plants don't shit.
    Plants don't have sweat glands.
    Pants don't have blood.
    I don't like chewing on dead bodies.
    I am not blood thirsty.
    Vegetarians live longer.
    Vegetarians are healthier. Vegitarians are mostly non violent.

    Agree

  • Jerome, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Majority out here opined that voje and other such kinds should be banned.Hence day is not too far when people realise that eating animal flesh is not correct when we have lot of other options!

    Agree

  • NIVEDITHA, MANGALORE

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Hi pearl Its good article.................

    Agree

  • Suzie Lobo, Bangalore/Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Very thought provoking article.Request Daiji to keep this article on the main page for few more days so that many people can read this and try to stop this activity.All the best Pearl

    Agree

  • Marina Patrao, Mangalore/USA

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    I agree with Jude that there is no use of getting a pig into the ceremony if it doesnt serve the purpose.Overall Pearl,this article is very good.God bless

    Agree

  • Jude, Mangalore Dubai

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    In olden days Voje had a meaning. A wedding used to be a lengthy affair and relatives would come in from distant villages and stay for days at the house where a wedding took place.. These relatives would therefore carry various gifts like pigs, goats, fowl, rice, vegetables etc to support or assist the master of the house in his expenses. Today voje has no meaning and is only symbolic. Therefore totally doing away with it is one option, because in reality we only borrow pigs, goats and others simply for this 15 minutes show, and then return them to their owners.

    Agree

  • Peter Carvalho, Goa/Kuwait

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Lavina AUH you please dont worry what is happening to anyone.People have the right to speak and no one can stop.Appreciate the author's boldness in getting it to public.You might be one of those audiences because of whom this custom is still not stopped.So watch what you write.Great article Pearl.

    Agree

  • Johnson Pinto, Dubai/Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Jude, if it is offensive to see the animal carrying like that in a Roce ceremony, then it should be stopped. What is the pleasure of hearing the animal cry with pain and we enjoy it.I totally got the point what the author put forward.Really appreciate to see an article like this.No one had ever raised their voice on this.Godo going Pearl!

    Agree

  • Pavan, Mlore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Irrespective of Religion we must stop all this kind of activities. So the banning option is also there like we banned cock fighting etc...

    Agree

  • uday almeida, kundapur

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Parading pig in in-human manner as a VOJE is cruel indeed and it need to be stopped at least by present generation. But if you see the real way how it is butchered by us mangaloreans i think you are gonna forget about food chain and turn vegetarian for sure.

    Agree

  • Jovita Crasta, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Pearl!!This is a very nice article.But sad comments here from people who did not understand what was being said.Does'nt bother! There is atlease 90% people who like this!! Keep writing Pearl!

    Agree

  • Jude, Mangalore Dubai

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    As far as i know carrying a pig the way in which is done today is the least painful to the pig. We also hold rabbits by their ears and that again is said to be the right way and not painful to them. However, some people have the habbit of poking the pig with sticks and experience pleasure when they hear the pig scream. That is wrong and sickening. Cruelty to animals is wrong and should be avoided and religion has nothing to do with this. For example there are some guys who to save on transport cost, load a vehicle with extra cattle or goats while transporting them, and the entire trip for these poor animals becomes hell. Such things should be avoided, but i don't see any substance in Pearl's view on how a pig is carried during voje ceremony.

    Agree

  • Lavina, Mangalore/AUH

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Pearl,
    I glanced thru your article, since I didnot feel the need to read it thoroughly, I feel to ask a question to you, Do you eat pork delicacy or just preaching cruelty towards animals ?? Believe firstly in what you preach. I see a lot of comments few appreciating you & few passing derogative remarks toward each others. BE HUMAN STOPPING ACCUSING EACH OTHER. Such provocative articles/comments can instill an idea in Ram Sena activitist to ban slaughtering of PORK TOO. SO BEWARE what you speak in public. Some one some where is watching YOU....

    Agree

  • janet d'souza, mangalore/abu dhabi

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Sushma, Bantwal and Dave,Mangalore really appreciate your open support. Thank you.

    Hey, Ronald, appreciate your sincerity man and accept your apologies. That's being real professional debater!
    In turn, I, too, am sorry for tit-for-tat reactions, spew of venom that is!  No hard feelings bro!

    Agree

  • Shwetha Dias, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Nice article! I am writing on my behalf of my parents and grandparents! They have read it and liked it and given their blessings to you.U rock!

    Agree

  • ashu, bantakal/dubai

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Very good article Pearl, really appreciate your views, by reading this article, even if one person changes his mind then I think it’s a great achievement for you. People please be fair in writing comments, she is not against killing animals or our so called tradition, but only concerned about torturing the animals. At least she had the guts to raise her concern, not like most of us where we see, feel but don't dare open our mouth

    Agree

  • Darryl John Pinto, Urwa,Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    It’s true that we’re trying to be humane towards fellow humans and animals. But I wouldn’t rule out such a custom for the very fact if you read the Old Testament very carefully, there are innumerable number of offerings and animal sacrifices made by our ancestors of faith. We compared to them are not offering even a fraction of it to god, but we prefer to slaughter it for our bellies. Animals are in fact created by god for our well being, purpose-serving and enjoyment and I hence see no great amount of essence in protecting rights of animals meant for our purpose. All in all it’s a never ending argument and we can probably speak for many days about this issue and still not arrive at a consensus, therefore I’d appeal to you that the only way to get rid of such custom is by not following it yourself. Kindly don’t treat this as an offensive message, it’s simply my opinion and I totally respect yours.

    Agree

  • Darryl John Pinto, Urwa,Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    A valiant effort indeed to put across a remark against age old Mangalorean customs. Being a Mangalorean, I’ve enjoyed all the Roce ceremonies I’ve been to, but hadn’t contemplated the agony of the animal referred here to as Swine ever. But I somehow think I have an answer to this agonizing tale. Swine in Mangalorean Christians has been an integral part of any celebration almost like forever. Certainly ruling out swine from existence is not wise.

    The significance was that all of the animals, vegetables and liquor carried in the form of a procession called “Vojhe”, were basically an offering to god and a symbol of unity among people gathering for a celebration. The reason why I refer it as an offering to god is simply because we use the same format during the offertory at our mass, the only difference is that it is casual in nature and a layman form of offering in private i e not in Church. But gradually the beautiful ceremony started losing its significance and had new entrants into the list of things like liquor and other forms of entertainment mediums. This also has a spiritual meaning, which is the very reason we celebrate every roce in front of the altar of the host’s house.
    But now due to changing times it has evolved to be a reason to entertain the invitees.

    Agree

  • VINOD, MANGALORE

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Dear Pearl, really nice article. I dont know about others but for me it feels bad to kill the mum animals. So i stopped non veg 3 years back. now i am pure vegitarian, and i am happy about myself.

    Agree

  • Dave, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 16 2010

    Janet Abudhabi, I really enjoyed your tit for tat with Ronald & others. I certainly agree in almost everything You are endowed with great talent & skill. Keep it up- all the best for u all.

    Agree

  • Shilpa, Mangalore/ Bangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    hii pearl, Nice article.. keep it up!!!!

    Agree

  • Prakash Lobo, Udyavara

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl!! Very well done!! Very happy reading this article!! In the plate you dont see the pig crying ok Mr. Vinay Mangalore.What the author is trying to express here is the pain in the animals eye which is ALIVE! and the function is a ROCE,meaning a happy occasion and an animal crying while others are dancing.Get the point all of you!! Continue your good work Pearl!!

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  • vinay , mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Its painful to watch pig upside down.....when sunday comes pork is very tasty for all of us.... ....there is nothing wrong continuing our traditon......

    Agree

  • Lancy M fernandes, Pune/ Jeppu

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Good Pearl. Well done job. Expressing something straightforwardly is good. we the younger generation feel things are cruel. There may a history symbolising behind every particular act. It's also an opportunity to rethink about it, having seen the earth's species moving towards extinct. Good observation. Keep it up. It cannot be removed at once. Let us give things sometime. may this article awaken people.

    Agree

  • Gerald Menezes, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Havent seen any article being so popular in just a day's time!! I really liked this article Pearl! U have a great future!! Keep writing such articles.They are worth reading!

    Agree

  • prashantha, mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hello Pearl, Your article is good indeed.By writing an article, this shouldnt be just in word.Actions do speak louder.As you mentioned that life cycel goes on.But to create awareness, you can stop eating meat and live on vegetables.You can stop using perfumes,cosmetic, leather bags,watches etc.these are all products of animal cruelty.Infact can stop using cell phone.cause there are many birds which are dying.

    Agree

  • R.T.SHETTY, MANGALORE

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    DEAR SISTER PEARL,WONDERFUL ARTICLE.BY THE WAY IAM VEGETARIAN.BECAUSE I LOVE ANIMALS.AS FAR I KNOW,ANIMALS ENJOY IS MORE THAN HUMANS,AT THE SAMETIME ITS PAIN ALSO MORE THAN HUMANS.BECAUSE ANIMALS HAPPY&PAIN IS IN BODY.OURS HAPPY &PAIN IS IN SOUL.ANYWAY I LIKE THE ARTICLE.KEEP IT UP.

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  • janet d'souza, mangalore/abu dhabi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    A lie is a lie even if millions believe in it and a truth is a truth even if millions don't agree with it.

    Some people need seriously to check the meaning of hypocrisy!

    As for you,Errol Prabhu, I don't even consider you worthy for a debate like this. So, buzz off.

    With due respect to the writer of the article, I appreciate your observation.

    Agree

  • Rakesh , Udyavar

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi pearl, Its a nice article indeed. I really agree with your opinion. but i am sadened by the commenters. They are fighting each other, like its their pig.By seeing this my heart is paining here. please come to gather, and give peace to the world.

    Agree

  • PASKUMAAM, UAE

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    MOGAL PEARL BAYE
    RODONAKA BAYE,
    DUKRAK DHUKAM NA GO BAYE,
    TUJA ANI MOJHA KAZARAK PEZH ANI LONCHEM BAYE.

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  • Vicky Chopra, Udipi/New Delhi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    very thought provaking article.. I liked it very much Pearl..it's horrendous and stupid to sacrifice animals for consumption/please the god.... government should legislated against such bloody acts..but the masses will won't pay heed to it...it would be looked upon as a contravention one's own religious beliefs and an anti-religious sentiments.... human beings stand and support vociferously some times which draws pity and shame from others.. don't feel any peeve towards these people who have turned blind in the name of religion..we already are part of the food chain since begining of the life...one is the food of one or another...

    We have to kill crores of lives for only to survive...example is we have to kill bacterias and germs in order to keep ourselves alive...sacrificing a goat or may be a holy buffalo (as in many parts of the world)is not prescribed to passify a god/deity...actually sacrificing of anger,greed,lust and all evils is the first step to be religious..even halal-slaughtering also not considered to be safe..Nothing is scientific unless we human goes under either of the slaughter process and than reveal how we felt and which one is beter than other????.. any process is cruelty to the animal to fill our stomach....that is wrong...???..Jai Ho..keep on writing dear..

    Agree

  • Darryl, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Stacey, you need to look up in the dicitionary to know what hypocirite means!!

    Agree

  • Juliet Vas, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Very nice article Pearl! Really liked reading it several times. Truly this topic was debatable. But strongly agree with you on this. Atleast this cruelty should be stopped.It will be a small step towards the big mission!

    Agree

  • jackson, udupi /usa

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    wht ur talking miss killing tht same pigg and making pork chilly is not humanity also okk think before u act and preech before u practice iam sure u attend tht weddin also and ate some non vegg where it comes from do u ever thought.if u wana change the world first change urslef i appriciate ur point of view but whts the use ppl wont stop by ur article iam sure thy will do more and more now a dayzz and thy will continue

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  • Errol Prabhu, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear Pearl, very nice article. We need to stop this cruelty.
    Dear Janet D'souza, you sound so frustrated that you need to see a specialist ASAP.

    Agree

  • Antony T D Souza, Karkala / Qatar

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Olden days people carried pig as a voje because there were no proper means to transport it. While keeping that tradition extra care should be taken without being too cruel to it. It is a unavoidable evil that animal’s pain is men’s gain. Referring maintaining our traditions, then Rose was a impeachable affair but now at times it is a tomatoes, eggs vulgar behavior. Therefore, let us maintain our traditions without knocking down its spirit cruelly as we are wishing the same for animals.

    Agree

  • Stacey Pinto, Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear Pearl,
    I am a total animal lover and your article made me smile. Recently at my sister's wedding, I too was horrified at the way in which the pig was being carried 'painfully' upside down, whilst everyone else was amused with its sight.

    Note to everyone: I say painfully, because I'm sure it's not the best feeling in the world to hang upside down from a stick and be poked and prodded at, for an hour and more straight.

    Also Pearl, I think half of the people who read your article are blind. You did owe up to the fact that you do eat pork... And I don't think you were hypocritical at all.
    Please do keep writing!

    Agree

  • Diana Pinto, Surathkal/ Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Whilst I understand you message completely, I do not see how it is relevant to the eye-opening article Pearl has written.

    Her article isn't about the difference between animals and human beings and choosing the former. She is just mentioning an obvious cruelty to a poor animal, that we all fail to take notice of as it is in the guise of 'tradition'.

    Also, in all fairness she did owe up to the fact that she does eat meat but it is the pleasure that we take in watching an animal suffer that she was focusing on.

    All in all... great work Pearl! God Bless You

    Agree

  • jerald dsouza, udupi dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Good thinking always gives good result,  even people in dubai trying to do tradition and killing the tradition values,

    Agree

  • dmello Joseph, belmannu.kuwait

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    who loves the animals,they know the pain.others?

    Agree

  • jerald dsouza, udupi, dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    "there are a few who practice this inhuman custom in the name of tradition" ms. pearl, iam really agree with you in this matter.
    also i like the above mentioned words for all people who are trying to do like tradition and spoiling the real value of tradition.  MAY GOD BLESS YOU PEARL

    Agree

  • Sequeira Roshan, Mangalore/AUH

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear All,
    Before we talk about cruelty to animals, let us set right ourselves.
    Most among us thinks 10 times before we shell out few bucks for person in dire need ( may be requires a uregent operation or some one needs few rupees to feed his hungry child
    first let us think about fellow human being then think about animals
    god created human above all creation and deserves better treatment.
    Those who are really upset with this ritual stop eating pork at once.


    Agree

  • Anil M., Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    nice article ... If you are meaterian, one of the animal has to be killed.

    Agree

  • John Vas, Kulshekar/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I too feel sorry for the animal the way we treat during voje ceremony. During December month I had the opportunity to witness the same. I think olden days the animal they used to slaughter at home immediately after voje. But now only for the sake of voje ceremony we are doing this must be changed. Let us give an example to others that we are prepare to change even our traditional customs for the betterment. Do not forget we are now in modern world. It is nice to have a debate on this issue seriously.

    Agree

  • ronald, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear Janet, i am sorry if you were hurt with my comment against your comment.

    Agree

  • Grippen D'Souza, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    After going through your article I am really happy that you have kept this matter in public and widened the eyes of some people who pretend to be blind. At the time of Roce we really enjoy the programme, but when the Voje comes we can feel how the pig screams and suffers because of the pain.

    I also felt bad last month when I attended one of my neighbours Roce function. I could see the pig scream in the entire programme. Everybody was enjoying and were in some other world. I really felt very bad and I could realise the agony which it was going through. I just started thinking we being Catholics we preach morals and ethics to others but we don’t follow it.

    There is nothing wrong however lavishly we celebrate the function, but we should avoid cruelty. Every creature born on earth has got life. Everybody can feel the pain. So we being a true Christian should avoid agonising others. People may not be doing it purposely only thing is that they are not aware of the pain which the pig suffers. But we have to create awareness among the people so that they don’t repeat it again. Everybody has got different types of opinions so I don’t want to comment about it.
    Let our Roce function always continue with grand celebration, but let the Pig be stopped from bringing it in the procession.

    Agree

  • Max E Rasquinha, Mangalore/Houston, Tx

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear Pearl - Thank you so much for sharing your viewpoints on wedding rituals and traditions prevailing amongst Catholics in India. The wedding traditions and rituals are also attached with customs and formalities with displays of competitive egos and individual tastes. Traditions and rituals symbolize our cultural and religious identity in a way, and its nice to enact them whenever opportunity and facility permits.

    One time, many years ago, we were transporting a 80 lb white pig on a bullock cart for a village feast but the poor pig died due to extreme heat before he reached the destination. We slaughtered the pig but distributed the pork meat to others with the feeling of superstition that it was a dead pig. Few years ago while we were in Mangalore we witnessed a large temple chariot from the Hare Krishna group utilized for their Convention procession. I slowly whispered to my bride for 45 years that we need to use this Royal Chariot for our golden wedding ceremony so that we can ride alongside the streets of Hampankatta (preferably after the sunset) and create a new tradition.

    We all inherit some of the inner and outer choices and we link them with the traditions and rituals in order to make ourselves happy and cheerful. India is proud of the Wedding traditions and rituals as they depict our culture, our history and our heritage. In the process of pursuing happiness there are obviously moments of laughter and tears, and so be it. Qudha Afeiz.

    Agree

  • Priya Das, Karkala / Mumbai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear Pearl, very nice article. Hope the above article & beautifull coments will enlighten all of our minds and stop animal cruelty in the name of tradition, "applicable to all castes" and spread the message arround.

    Agree

  • janet d'souza, mangalore/abu dhabi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Ronald Mangalore - I really don't care whether you laugh out loud or soft at my opinion. People like you are fit only for laughing (and being laughed at) because in expressing one's opinion, there is no right or wrong, but only difference of opinion.
    Secondly, about how I am sure that the pig doesn't suffer when held upside down - that's exactly why I gave the simile of a child being held upside down. And oh yes, Gretta Mangalore, if you only improve your grasp of English language,I am sure, my point will be clear to you because nowhere in my opinion did I mention that a child too should be held upside down with a stick!
    And you Pinto Bhai, a child being held upside down and rhymes being sung to it, was only a simile re Munna! I knew people like you won't understand so very easily. A stick is used only because of the weight and not to humiliate the animal.
    So, Ronald, put your thumb in your mouth and go to sleep. You must be too tired of laughing out loud!
    Wa re Wah People! You can't live without non-veg food but you can't stay away from hypocrisy too!! Out of sight, out of mind. If you have not seen the animal being butchered, you are free to eat its meat without any guilt feelings! and you have the full right to criticize the people of animal cruelty. Hypocrits!!!!!!!

    Agree

  • L.J.dsouza, Brahmavar

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    UR thougts were good,But every relegious their is slaughtering animals, Blood is sacrificing to god.May be ur forefathers were Buddist,so u r in great vain.

    Agree

  • Richard Saldanha, Mangalore/Bangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Thought provoking article. Even if traditions are followed, they can be suitably modified with using a cart or cage or something like that, as we are living in the 21st century, so that the pigs do not suffer unnecessarily.

    Agree

  • James Fernandes, Barkur/USA

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    There was a secret society, which is still active I guess, which does heroic jobs, such as "saving the fish from drowning."

    Agree

  • A.D'Cunha Shenoy, Mangaluru

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Suman, Mangalore, you are 100% right in your brilliant thoughts. Yes human beings kill and slaughter animals for their meat eating. They celebrate feats with flesh of animals and birds and enjoy. Vegetarians kill a plant to be thier food.
    Every thing has a perspective. While their dancing with the pig whch would be slaughtered next day foe the feast, it is little bit doing too much. Perpas they shoul have avoided it.

    Agree

  • Damien, falnir / USA

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Many people like this author can talk the talk but how many actually walk the talk.

    Agree

  • Naveen, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I really appreciate ur emotions towards animals,but this tradition has been stopped decades ago....u can see this drama among 1 in 1000 marriages, but after reading ur article even they might feel the pain in their eyes.....keepup the gud work dear

    Agree

  • Daniel D'Souza, Udupi / Sharjah

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Yeah, true. Animal cruelty. But not only Catholics, the whole world doesn't care. What about those merciless matadors fighting bulls and killing them? Culling of animals in Canada, Japan, etc? What about cock fights in various parts? What about pigeon flying? Human beings are the most cruel animals.

    Have we ever realized that the cow milk belongs to its calf? What if it was vice versa? Entertainment or food, animal cruelty is human being's part of life everywhere.

    The real issue today is killing of human beings.

    Agree

  • suman, mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Pearl, Very nice thoughts. Its your opinion and a very nice one.

    Would like to ask you one question, Have you ever seen how the animal is slaughtered, and the pain it goes through? We all eat the meat very nicely cooked brought from the market, isn't it?

    Let me tell you something, which is my opinion. Everything has its shelflife. Even Plants are living, so are the fishes, and other beings on earth. And of all these beings , the human being is the most matured. But still he does all this.Why?

    It's the life cycle, well, you can't say this is cruel but I lke the meat. There are traditions which a lot of people follow, and we have to leave it to them. It's for them realise.

    For e.g. If i dont feel like doing it I wont. So everyone has his own style and opinion which we have to respect.

    Let me give an example, a neighbour girl i Knew had seven lovely cats siamese,and she had a neighbour who would always quarrel because she was jealous . And one day she poisoned them, which is more cruel .

    Be grateful, That At least here the pig was not killed in front of you.

    Agree

  • Lancy Dsouza, Kinnigoli / KSA

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I appreciate the article, if the 'voge' is in real there is no problem to keep up our old tradition. For pig it is in fact a gymnastic.

    Agree

  • Balwanth, palimar

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Mohd any type of cruelty should be avoided you can recall the how cows were transported in a tempo to slaughter.some of them died also-

    Agree

  • Lawrence, Manglore/Noida

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Ms. Pearl, Mangaloreans cant live without pork is a fact, now where this animal is being killed is the big question. Irrespective of the place it is killed, its gonna be killed in pain, i have seen butchering of pig in mangalore, and its very goring the way mangloreans do it. So its just your perspective of seeing the pain of pig. Even the hens and the goat are not supposed to be there, but you heard the pig becos it makes loud noise and the rest of them go to the knife silently. voje is a manglorean tradition and not catholic, two separate things!!

    Agree

  • ronald, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Janet, your comments made me laugh loudly. How do you know pig does not undergo pain when it is carried in that style?. you say it very confidently. Please do not say it unless you really sure.

    Agree

  • Susan D'souza, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear Pearl - I totally agree with you on this article, it is only a show off of money by some of our community members. It is high time such things are stopped when there is so much poverty and suffering going on around us even in our immediate family circle. Good eye opener article for people who have money but don't know how to use it for a good cause.

    Agree

  • ronald, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Thank you Pearl. It is indeed very sad. Moreover if you see the way they cut the throat of pig i am sure you will cry. They also pour boiling water in its ear (at least i have seen this in a wedding)after cuting its through half. poor animal suffers a lot before dying. There should be some other way followed when killing pig so that the suffereing is minimal. Guys please come up with some idea. thank you.

    Agree

  • Juliana, Mangalore/Abu Dhabi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice article to create awareness amongst Mangaloreans who follow traditions blindly. Every custom or tradition initiated by our past generation has a meaning or reason. As Anita Sequeira, Dubai commented, VOJEM means contribution from close relatives (maams/maternal uncles, bappus/paternal uncles) towards the marriage. The contribution might be out of love or to share the wedding expenses burden. About carrying the pig as part of VOJEM, it is really cruel – perhaps our ancestors didn’t realize it because for them changing such traditional norms was going against the community acts. But we are educated and can raise our concerns and practice or act as we wish.


    Now-a-days, VOJEM has become a sort of entertainment program at roce functions rather than following tradition. I have seen in many such VOJEM procession, an arab disguised/dressed man (in dish-dasha) dancing like a crazy maniac. I really could not understand the meaning of the arab man entry in such functions if VOJEM is our tradition or custom.

    Agree

  • Vishal , Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice article pearl. Just i was reflecting on your thought but i realised its an culture where we christians follow, indeed its an inhuman. In one sense Christian marriages should be in VEGETARIAN form rather than NON-VEGETARIAN. This will avoid the inhumanity towards mum animals. To be frank to tell u that recently i had my brothers marriage but we didnt carry the pig in voje ceremony. Its only certain people follow the old tradition and it gets reminded of our real tradition what it was.

    Agree

  • M.Mathias, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Very good article. Those who ignoring others pain are doing like this. Animals are better than some humanbeings.

    Agree

  • JNC Klpr, Klpr / Abu Dhabi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear Pearl, It was indeed a thought provoking article and looking on the debate that’s going on it has been a hot issue.

    My question is why people are getting so emotional that the pig has been carried upside down? Well I have seen this for at least 25 years and that’s the only way the animal is handled with. You are hurt by the way it is handled during this occasion but how many of you guys have visited a slaughter house where these animals are slaughtered. We enjoy our meal with a delicious pork delicacy but have you seen the way this poor animal is killed.

    A knife is stabbed into its neck to collect its blood (again used for the Pork dish) and it is allowed to die slowly in the process it pumps out all the blood out through its throat. Well if u asked the pig would u like to be hung like that or killed to make Sorpotel for the wedding buffet I feel the pig would say I better remain hung throughout. I feel instead of criticizing this tradition better correct our values and stop eating meat (Of any kind including fish) as every animal has got life and it pains equally when they are butchered. So I don’t agree with majority of you guys until Eating Non vegetarian food is abolished in our system which I know majority of you will not do.

    Agree

  • Dr. Ronald D'Souza, Mudharangady/Vienna

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I fully agree with Pearl's view of avoiding animal cruelty. We, the Catholics can definitely avoid such a practice. We don't have to our culture of "Voje" for that. Traditions and cultural practices change and they can be changed. At the time of our grand parents, it was our tradition to get girls married when the have hardly reached 13-14. Today we would see it as a child abuse and rightly so.

    Unfortunately, in India we are not reflective of our cruelty towards animals. Animal cruelty does not mean we are not supposed to eat meat. It has to do with avoiding undue suffering to an animal, especially when they are under our care. We can truly avoid the stress and cruelty to the pig during "Voje", even if it will be killed later for its meat.

    One cornerstone of Christianity is human enlightenment. I would like to call upon all community members to be enlightened and treat animal life with respect and care.

    Agree

  • nancy, mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I totally agree with you. I did not like the fact the animals are being treated this way. It is not necessary to keep the tradition of such kind where animals are being treated this way. I invite our people please CHANGE!

    Agree

  • Sushma, Bantwal/Doha

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi janet i appreciate ur comment. Before v give lecture to others, v should do it in practice. Who were appreciated this topics, they all should not eat any kind of meat at all.

    Agree

  • Melissa Lobo, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl!! Did'nt know you write so well!! Very menaingful article with so many good comments.Keep writing such heart thoughts... Well done!

    Agree

  • Clifford Dsouza, Belman

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Very happy to see this article.It was followed in my own roce many years back and I did not realize the animal's pain until I read this article.

    Agree

  • Allwyn Pinto, Fermai/Managalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Very well said Ms.Pearl, really appreciate the concern toward this mum animals. It's unfornate that we have to rely heavily on this act of killing animals to feed ourselves, but then that's the way it is...law of nature.supperior naimals feed on smaller inferior animals. Having said that, torturing animals for mere amusement can be avoided. whatever small changes we bring about goes a long way in helping the cause . we can try and reduce or gradually stop these kinds of practices. I admire you for noticing this cruel act and enlightening me. Well I cant be a vegetarian though, I am sorry about that......

    Agree

  • Reena Dsa, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl! Nice article... I have seen it several times and even I felt very bad.I agree with Rolphy Dalmeida's comments on using a cage if it is must to get it in.

    Agree

  • Gretta, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    What a nice article Pearl! An eye opener to all of them following this.Janet are you saying we need to carry baby upside down with a stick? Your comment is meaningless with the article's context!

    Agree

  • Rolphy Almeida, Udupi/Bangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    We all eat this animal although we very well know that pig is one of the scavengers created by God. We humans sometimes forget what pain is and behave atrociously. There is always a better way to deal with but, we humans are very stingy when it matters to other’s property or pain. A cage could have been used to carry this animal. I have also seen people squeezing the throat of hen, with a misleading theory for better taste. Hope better sense prevail after reading your article.

    Agree

  • Brian Lobo, Mangalore/Kuwait

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Really very good article.Pearl,you have done a good job writing this.Eating animals cannot be stopepd as mentioned abt the food chain.But making fun seeing it suffer when it is alive is totally wrong.Thank you daiji for publishing this.

    Agree

  • Ryan, mumbai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    A very good article and certainly appreciate the thoughts and sentiments put forward, but on a lighter note, the only reason i guess the pig was brought in that manner is because there is no way you can pull the pig along tied with a string around its neck.

    Agree

  • Pinto Bhai, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Janet, You seriously need a break. There is an immense difference in holding a pig and holding a child. A child is held gently and not with a pole or stick upside down. And when they carry a pig they do not sing any ryhmes. Infact people lose control due to it over weight and it at times.

    Agree

  • EDMOND FERNANDES, MANGALORE

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    hey good 1 ! but there are certain things we cant change ! don't u think so ? well i don't exactly disagree but i dont totally agree either.
    edmondvirgo@gmail.com

    Agree

  • Anita Sequeira, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    As far as I know through my grand mother,Vojem means the contribution from the relatives and neighbours towards the marriage either thro' livestock, rice or vegetables when our past generation had no money to contribute. The things received were used for cooking the delicious wedding meal on the roce night with the help of neighbours. Now the circumstances are not the same, so following this tradition is meaningless. Yes if these things are utilized for the purpose like olden days, then its worthy. Now the people bringing voje are paid.....may be the guests will have to be hired in the coming years.

    Agree

  • Cyril Pinto, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear Pearl, Nice article - Well done - Hope the future will change
    GOD BLESS
    Cyril Pinto

    Agree

  • Cornel, Bangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Pearl, Nice one. An eye opener to all. Keep writing, such articles are really inspiring and they also educate people regarding the pain that animals feel. Seeing forward for more such articles which are worth reading.  Cornel Jude Prabhu

    Agree

  • stevan, Loreto/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    i dont agree with you. The animals are given by God to man to eat and use it. The Voje procession should be highly appreicated sine the olden tradition is being recalled.

    Agree

  • Janifer, Belman

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Personally for me articles like this leave behind confused thoughts because I don’t find an answer to our own logic. I agree that carrying an animal in a cruel way is wrong but hey, if we wait for few more hours/days, we end up with eating that very same animal! Well, as a matter of kindness maybe we should consider altering the way we carry these animals during any functions just like we modify our culture to suite our requirement! All the same, I believe you have expressed your feelings towards animals, which is truly appreciated.

    Agree

  • Ambrose , Mnagalore/Bangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Peral
    Even am against cruelty. However i dont agree with you certain things.People in mangalore are asked to preserve culture, traditions and so on.. You areticle is very much debatable..Its better you dont attend such functions where we catholics do follow tradtions and culture it was after a long time since i saw one such function in mangalore. Its always get back to old tradtions ... Old is Gold. Catholic Funtions Rock!!! Cheers

    Agree

  • nirmal, mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Mangalore tradition of wedding almost is vanshing day by day.Rarely people wants the traditions to be reminded to the present genration, which is new to them.I am agreeing with Pear's views, and I am admire with her feelings. According to Pearl Catholics wedding should be vegiterian, because of the humanity. Eating meat also come from slauter house.Then how the celebrations will go on.In other way I too feel the cruelty towards the inocent animal,but what is the out come.Now upto the new generation to decide to celebrate their functions accordingly. May God Bless you all

    Agree

  • Rajesh, Barbados

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl, very good article an eye opener to many but seems to be people who comment here hardly has it on their face! or they just try to find a way out again leting it on another religion. keep moving its worth a load. If i like to eat pork i can bring it to my tradition and when i ask to stop i can blame you by saying other religion follows it..strange people around is it nt! It hardly matters whose tradition it is but best way out is learn to love.

    Agree

  • Antony Crasta, Mangalore/Sydney, Australia

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Good comments by you Mr. Praveen Mendonca of Kulshekar, Mangalore, and endorse your views when it comes to cock fighting as that practice is inhuman. But I am not so sure of the Kamblas though, since it`s a form of racing, and if the Kamblas were to be banned, then all sorts of race meetings like horse and grey-hound, need to be stopped! May be, using the stick and/or whip to beat the animals at the Kamblas and races is inhuman and needs to be restricted or banned altogether. Then it goes to the farmers as well, for when they plough their fields with the help of bullocks and buffaloes they have tomake use of the stick, sometimes savagely, and where all this will end? By the way, is it not the cock fighting has already been banned!?Also, I don`t think sheep killing on the Navratri considered to be barbaric, since I believe it is only a form of killing an animal as a form of sacrifice just like any other animals that are being slaughtered in millions for human consumption!.

    I suppose, Pearl, the author of the article, is not against killing of the birds and animals in a proper way, but only opposes inhuman treatment.

    Agree

  • Shwetha, Mangalore/Chennai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Pearl ...You rock!It's really a very good thought..keep it up!

    Agree

  • Antony T. D Souza, Karakala / Qatar

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    As a symbol to tradition, people can carry a pig created by wood or some other material. By this nobody might cry that it is a fake voje. When people do not maintain the traditional sanctity of the Rose, will they bother to know the the pain of the pig ? Everything counts. Perhaps in future few among us ?

    Agree

  • Vincent D'Souza, Belthangady

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl - You have correctly & have struck at the right time and right place. In January 2010 I too had witnessed 2 Weddings and the same "Voje" Carried with the Pig tied upside down. During one Ross, I could notice the Pig trying to free itself and in the process also answered its' natures' call right in the middle when dancing was going on. They had to take the Pig away, as the whole Scenario was embarrassing.
    Now tell me, where did this Custom of Voje Carrying originate from? Is it a authentic tradition in our Ross Ceremony? If someone briefs me, I am grateful. Regards,

    Agree

  • janet d'souza, mangalore/abu dhabi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I don't see anything wrong in pig being hung upside down! How else should it be carried then? Carry on your shoulders or like a baby? Give me a break! That's the precise way of carrying a pig and there is no torture in it. Just tell me, where is the torture in it? There is just no pain in that method of carrying. Just carry a small child with it's hands and legs by your hands and swing it gently singing some nursery rhymes and see the thrill the child experiences! It's simply fun! There is no torture in it.
    Secondly, the tradition being reenacted at marriage functions - it's really thoughtworthy! If one cannot follow that tradition literally, these functions atleast keep that tradition alive by just reminding the present generation how the marriages in the past were conducted!
    Thirdly, about spending during the weddings by the rich people, what's wrong in that? If they don't spend their hard earned money during weddings, when else will they use it? During funerals? This is nothing but the envy on the part of have-nots! No matter what you do, there will be people criticizing it - whether weddings or funerals! They will spare none!
    If you talk about torture to animals,please go one step further - stop eating meat! Then only you will do justice to your ideologies. Otherwise you will be like keeping one leg on one boat and the other on.....alas!

    Agree

  • Mike , KSA

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    The moral lesson a man has to learn from this artilce is "AVOID UNNECSSARY CRUELTY TO ANIMALS" and I fully agree with the Author.

    Agree

  • janet d'souza, mangalore/abu dhabi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I don't see anything wrong in pig being hung upside down! How else should it be carried then? Carry on your shoulders or like a baby? Give me a break! That's the precise way of carrying a pig and there is no torture in it. Just tell me, where is the torture in it? There is just no pain in that method of carrying. Just carry a small child with it's hands and legs by your hands and swing it gently singing some nursery rhymes and see the thrill the child experiences! It's simply fun!

    There is no torture in it.
    Secondly, the tradition being reenacted at marriage functions - it's really thoughtworthy! If one cannot follow that tradition literally, these functions atleast keep that tradition alive by just reminding the present generation how the marriages in the past were conducted!

    Thirdly, about spending during the weddings by the rich people, what's wrong in that? If they don't spend their hard earned money during weddings, when else will they use it? During funerals? This is nothing but the envy on the part of have-nots! No matter what you do, there will be people criticizing it - whether weddings or funerals! They will spare none!

    If you talk about torture to animals,please go one step further - stop eating meat! Then only you will do justice to your ideologies. Otherwise you will be like keeping one leg on one boat and the other on.....alas!

    Agree

  • Tony, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl,nice one :) Hope the above article & beautifull coments will enlighten all of our minds and stop animal cruelty in the name of tradition, "applicable to all castes" and spread the message arround.

    Agree

  • Sampath k, Mangalore,Australia

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I agree with Pradeep J comment.Good article indeed.People should wake up now despite doing this crime.

    Agree

  • Joy, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi.. nice artical.. but DUKRA MAAS and SORO is our tradamark.. we cant just live without that..

    Agree

  • FRANCIS, UAE

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    God said " let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.(Holy Bible : Genesis 1:26)
    Dear Pearl I hope you got the point.

    Agree

  • Rajesh, Manglore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Instead of applauding Pearl and shedding crocodile tears for torture of animals at the hands of cruelman, everyone should stop cruelty towards every animal. As we believe in rebirth, we should be more compassoinate towards these meek animals. So stop eating flesh of animals and make your stomach a graveyard.

    Agree

  • Roshan, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    By reading comments from Sunil and Melwin i conclude that there are fundamentalists in our community too!

    Agree

  • Priya Moras, Mangalore/Bangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I liked this article Pearl.Indeed too good!To all those who have problems with other animals can express their views separately.She did not like this so she expressed it.

    Agree

  • Venita Albuquerque, MANGALORE/DUBAI

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    hi pearl... good one i agree with u.. hope this article brings changes in the voje ceremony...

    Agree

  • Francea, mangalore/dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hey pearly nice article ... I felt happy reading it really nice one.. pearly baby

    Agree

  • Melwin, Bantwal/Doha

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Each and every creature have life. If u have that much concern about the animal's today itself u should stop eating meat.I strongly oppose this article!!! Seems to be most commentator's newly started to attend roce.

    Agree

  • praveen mendonca,kulshekar, mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    pearl it was a nice article, but i think u were just waiting to attend a roce in mangalore to write this article, what about the other traditional events like the cock fight,kambla,the sheep tortured during navaratri,didnt your aunt explain you about these events,pearl its not only the pig, every animal in this world is suffering in the hands of the human,

    Agree

  • Jerome, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Dear Jude,if others practice wrong things,does not mean that we too do it.We can be role models by practicing right things!

    Agree

  • bryan, GOA / Saudi Arabia

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    This was practised in GOA too, but non-existent now.some things just change with time.in GOA the voje is mainly ceremonial without livestock. Nice article. For the information of some naive readers here. this is not a universal catholic practice.

    Agree

  • Antony Crasta, Mangalore/Sydney, Australia

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice article Pearl D`Silva - couldn`t agree with you more that carrying the pig in such a brutal way is wrong, and this barbaric practice should be stopped forthwith. (Just like,this is out of context though, stuffing the bridegroom/bride by their Dhedes/Dhedeos and friends at the Roce function with raw eggs etc which is commonly seen in some places also contributes to inappropriate behaviour!) It was OK in the olden days, I suppose, to carryon such practice since the same pig was later killed and eaten at the marriage function.

    May be, it`s still all right to bring along the pig in Vojen procession just like how the goat is brought along by tieing a rope around it`s neck, and if it is going to be difficult that way to drag along the pig, perhaps they could use a small four wheeler cage, and still enjoy the tradition. But definitely NO to such cruel way of carrying on a pole, the pig tied upside down.

    Agree

  • Rajesh Rao, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice Article Pearl. God bless you for your compassotion for helpless animals. Every evil thing in this world must stop, especially torturing animals for sake of fun and killing it for sake of food. Man is a wise animal but cunning animal he can rationalise things unlike any other animals.

    Man is cruel too. Sunil Bribane you views are really disgusting. can you enjoy if your children are tied to apole and hung upside down? Feel pain for others, so others feel for you. I dnot understand how cruel you are at heart.

    Agree

  • Praveen Sathish,

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hey really good one, gal. I appreciate the concern that you have shown which culminated in writing this article. I support all the views that you have put forward in this article. Truly Great Work !!!!!

    Agree

  • Cynthia, Mangalore-Abu Dhabi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Pearl, nice article, but I do not agree with your views. This is only the way where pig can be transported or carried, as you have seen chicken in hand, goat walking freely, pig cannot be pulled or pushed to walk. Its not necessary that its slaughtered on the same day.. many a times I have witnessed that the pig is kept back in the cage. Its only a olden tradition and now a new style.

    I have even seen transporting pigs from one house to other house by this way not in purpose of slaughter. Pig does not suffer by this.

    Agree

  • Blaise fernandes, karkala

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice one Pearl :)i wonder what would u do or write if u see cock fights and so the bull race?????

    Agree

  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl, You are asking if Catholics cannot do without bringing a pig to a 'Roce' function. Even if we do so, a pig, a goat, a hen, etc will till be killed somewhere in order to feed human beings ? Paradoxically, we are asked to preserve culture, traditions - I am in a fix indeed ! Nevertheless, vegetarians will argue why kill them 'why can't you be a vegetarian' ? Are we to agree and whole world turns vegetarian ? Yet again, we detach the fruits borne by the plant which is cruel too ???

    Agree

  • Austin D'Souza, Karkala / Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Very good article. We should try our best to reduce cruelty & pain to animals or any living being.

    Agree

  • Sachin S, mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I am completely agree with Pradeep J comments.Nice article.May god bless you.

    Agree

  • SANDRA DSOUZA, MANGALORE/ISRAEL

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    DEAR PEARL HATTS OFF TO U......I REALLY APPRECIATE U R SMARTNESS ND THE TALENT....BEC IT WAS LONG TIME MANY PEOPLE WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT IT.BUT NO ONE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION TO WRITE AS AN ARTICLE...VERY VERY NICE CUTE EMOTIONAL THIS ARTICLE..WHEN U SAID THT, WHEN U SEE PIG EYES U FELT HIS PAIN.....ITS REALLY REALLY SAD TO EVERYONE OF US.EVEN I FELT JUST BY READING THIS ...GOD BLESS U PEARL ND GOOD LUCK TO U...THANKS A LOT LOT TO DAIJI ONCE AGAIN ND ASUSUAL FOR SUCH OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THEM SELF WHT TALENT THEY HAVE....

    Agree

  • Mohd. Ridhan, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Ah!!! I had no idea what the whole pig-on-sticks thing was. Spotted this in Falnir once. I assumed the pig was probably dead. It was alive? that's indeed sad. @Sunil F. (Brisbane) - Are you saying cruelty to animals is okay or are you against it? Read your reply several times, I still don't get what you mean.

    Agree

  • Donald D'Souza, Kuwait/Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl,This is a very good article.I personally agree with all what you have felt.This has to be stopped.Thanks to Daiji for posting it!

    Agree

  • DON, Udupi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice article Pearl.. u are absolutely right!

    Agree

  • Vincy, Shamboor/Bangkok

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I too attended a roce during Dec 2009 and I witnessed a 'Voje' procession, which I thought was real and then found out that they are hired for the rose. They arrived with traditional country band and a traditional Khas Mama at the front and then the tribal style dressed assistants who carry a pig, rooster, rice and other fancy vegetables. It is a regular team that conducts this Voje Drama and they get paid for it. The Pig was tied upside down and not screaming at all.

    Then I asked whether it is dead or alive and came a reply that the pig knows that he will be released to a waiting pick up truck to return safely once the drama ends with a bottle of liquor and some cash tips the team. Since the same pig is used every time, it has a regular experience of being tied upside down for few hours but they carry with care so they can re-use it. This is better than leaving the pig tied up for more than six hours at the roce house. It has to wait till the roce gets over and men come together and the one with more muscle power will lift the pig by holding its tied-up legs and makes a guess about the weight of the animal and then many other try their turn with their muscle capacity and thus the pig is almost exhausted before it gets slaughtered. Now the catering business has taken over this process of pig slaughter at roce function.

    Agree

  • Jude Pinto, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Pearl, Your message is pretty stairght foward and clear. But it could have been generalised instead of pointing at one particular religion. Niran let me get your facts right. Pig slaugter or carrying it upside down is not followed by only Catholic religion there are so many other religions who do eat pork meat.

    Agree

  • D.M.D' Souza, Bantwal

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Yeah, it should be stopped once & for all. I too saw it on Daiji,  I would like to add one more cruelty towards birds as well-some decorators hang love birds or singing birds from which confetti falls when cake is cut. The birds are subjected to deafening music of our music bands for almost 3 hours. They only start to sing when the band stops. Thank u Pearl for eliciting everybodies opinion through your article.

    Agree

  • rita, mangalore/dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    hai pearl ur article is perfect . human they are selfish they will think what they want like they can do . in roce enjoyment for human for animal sad it means there is have both in that roce function enjoyment and sadness not for few mints tying like that to pig for full founction how much they will cry if for human like that tying what will happend /? everybady have to think

    Agree

  • Vinayak Shenoy, Dubai / Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I fully agree with Pearl. The times have changed and thus the human nature should also change. In ancient days, it was traditional, since the education level was not like as present. Hence the elders only followed as what was preached to them by their elders. If we still continue to catch up with the old tradition, then why are we educated and why do we crave to get a seat for our child in a good school ?? rather we need to keep our kids at home and preach them with our traditions.... Well done Pearl. An article which is meant more for EDUCATED AND UPPER CLASS SOCIETY, including UPPER MIDDLE CLASS AS WELL. I have seen this "voje' procession on the wedding album on daiji world itself. It would have been even better, if you had pointed out and addressed in more brief about the person in your article.

    Agree

  • Sunil.F, Brisbane

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Pearl .......... If u are offended because of the way it was hung , than I don't think so there will be any other appropriate way to carry a pig in this world other than the way its been followed. Thank God, at least you are agreeing with the butchering but there might be millions in this world who don't agree with that either, so shall we stop killing what God has created to be consumed (Though we are are suppose to eat pig according to the law but still can be consumed with thanks giving and grace, by which its made holy!) This world is filled with millions of beliefs and feelings and some might be getting offended when we pluck the veggies, as we are violating their freedom of existence and consuming them before their appropriate time as they have life and blood too.. (Though its not red like roaches).

    So whom shall we please? I don't think this is bringing tears in the eyes of the creator when compared to the way the Creator carried our sins on his back in his human form and made a eternal way for the creation to himself just by having faith in him alone and which cant be earned by doing something good, and in reply we have compromised his worship to his creation and no one wants to get rid of that rituals and traditions which is an abomination in his sight! I think there are much things to worry in this life than mourning for a pigs or lambs agony, which is natural.

    Agree

  • Preethi Pais, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Good article Pearl! Really appreciate you for bringing it up here.U have done a really good job and the total write up is really good! Keep it up...

    Agree

  • Harold D'cunha, Mangalore, India

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl very nice article and creating awareness amongst Christian community for the cruelty to the pigs during voge ceremony during roce. The message is crystal clear. Better to clean one's backyard. This will come when one's self esteem is high.

    Agree

  • Arun Prakash, Kasargod

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi Pearl, Good article. Please be good to animals.

    Agree

  • Maria, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Its a nice article Pearl, even I noticed the same thing in one of daijiworld marriage picture. I do not know how they enjoy their roce carrying pig in that condition.

    Agree

  • Godwin Mendonca, Mudarangadi/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice one pearl. even i dont like to torture animals, but i cant resist to eat nonveg. there is a cycle that controls the nature. Torturing a animal for fun or show i will not support that kind of action. most of the christians are nonvegitarian and i dont think so they kill the animal for fun. please dont torture the animal.

    Agree

  • sasthi, kolkata

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Its really barbaric.Hope this come to an end soon.

    Agree

  • Maria, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I totally agree with Pearl,Rupert & H.M.Pernal, If anybody wants to bring back our old tradition let them bring it back in full form, Birde & bride groom should go by walk with band to the church , matov should be there along with home made food. otherwise there is no use of voje or 6 dhede & 6 dhedio . Nowadays weddings are more concentred on show off business & less on life time commitment. Thatswhy divorce rate is very high in these days.

    Agree

  • Rohan, Kuwait

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    A really beautiful article. This is so very true that’s happening back home. Keep up the good work & really appreciate your writing.

    Agree

  • Pradeep J, Bangalore,Australia

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Good article Pearl.I agree with you.I would apreciate bajarangadal people should notice this matter.They can stop this matter in future.

    Agree

  • Deepak, Manglore/muscat

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice article pearl.dear pearl HANV CHINTHA ASHE SAGLYANI CHINTLYAR AMCHA GHARA MUKAR "BEWARE OF DOGS" MUN BORVNCHA BODLAK "BEWARE OF PIGS" MUN BORD GALIJE PODATH.keep it up.

    Agree

  • Nishchith, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I agree.. This needs to be stopped immediately. Nice article. Well done pearl..

    Agree

  • Gautam,

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Bravo pearl!! way to go!!

    Agree

  • harold menezes, mangalore/dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hi,pearl I am appreciate your thinking but now a day's forget about voje even close relation's also atteneded rose timely for lunch or dinner.I hope you attended the rose very rural area.wait pig also ban soon.

    Agree

  • Wilson Saldanha, Shirthady/ Kuwait

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    During olden days it was the only convenient way to transport pig by turning upside down with its legs tied to a stave and carrying. The pig brought for 'voje' was slaughtered on the same night, cooked and served next day for wedding. If the pig brought during voje is not slaughtered and served for wedding, then it is only enacting the tradition and as pearl said "Animal Cruelty". I hope some one will do this tradition including cooking and serving at the same place as we used to do it 20-30 years back.

    Agree

  • Rupert, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I do agree with Pearl. Nice article.Now it is all about show off and the way to spend and show ones ability to others how wealthy(?) I am. Many earn lakhs out of this. These traditions wont bring any value to our culture. This should be avoided in the Roce ceremonies. If anyone is intereted in bringing the past back I would be happy if they bring back the Matov, and the delicious home cooked food by the neighbours.

    Agree

  • Chris, Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    This is against law. Why are we harming innocent creatures.Carrying this Voje should be stopped. Nice article.

    Agree

  • lohith pinto, bajpe/bangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Yes pearl i agree with even i had witnessed this cruel sene once . i have attended many roce ceremoney but very few people of rich do this . but your article was heart touching

    Agree

  • Jerome, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    An eye opener for many of us.In fact I practice vegetarian food habit(that too satvik style) as over years I found vegetarian dishes (if prepared properly) are much better both at hygene as well as for health.

    Agree

  • Niran, Suratkal

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    You are the first one to comment on your own religion's wrong followings.I appreciate your boldness in writing this article!

    Agree

  • Agnello, Mangalore/Muscat

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Agree 100% with you Pearl

    Agree

  • Reshma, Udupi

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl has really enlightened us with the small write up. We need to have traditions followed by not at the rate of openly showing our inhumanity towards animals who cant express their views to us. I request all Mangaloreans to take the absorb the good things about our traditions and ignore the cruelty part. Social awareness should be there on such topics.

    Agree

  • Reena Roshan, KARKALA

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    I really appreciate your article pearl.By your description i could really see that helpless pig suffering.hope your article brings changes in roce(voje) ceremony.

    Agree

  • H M Pernal, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice thought Pearl. This practice was almost stopped a decade back , now revived by some upper middle class catholics , just as a showcase , that too in the name of saving culture. Good Business , nothing more to it. From Pig to People in the procession , everything is hired and nothing real apart from pigs pain. The real irony is the fate of so called 'Catholic Culture ' too hanging like a pig in pain and men and women in western outfits enjoying , dancing , clicking pictures. Very good contrast and nice observation.

    Agree

  • Karavali Friends, Mangalore /Dubai

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl.. You are right. Carrying Voji makes sence only for old age life style, now a days there is catering facility, so no need for voji and people should understand this and meaning of voji why it was carried in olden days...... If they bring voji then they should start cooking.... I dont think its done anywhere now a days, if done then i appriciate them.

    Agree

  • Darryl, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Well done Pear!!! THe hypcorisy shown by the politicians is trickling down to the general population as well. What is the point in condemning cruelty towards animals when u condone the act of eating meat. According to me it's a pretty lame artical which begins on a contradictry note and hence doesn't go very far in delivering the message it was meant to deliver.

    Agree

  • Prem, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Good article Pearl... This tradition was totally stopped and now it was in the Mangalore they have started this tradition again. Let your article reach them and trasform their thoughts...

    Agree

  • Shubham Vishi, Pilibhit

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    This article is realy nice

    Agree

  • Shweta Singh, Bangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Nice Article Pearl,I strongly Appreciate your thinking. It's a good Initiative,Hope this will put an end to this practice...

    Agree

  • Nirmala Dmello, Bahrain/Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Very Nice Article Dear Pearl, Keep it up! i totally agree with you, this is wrong and should be stoped! wel done! expecting more good articles from you! Nirmala

    Agree

  • Rashi, Jharkand

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Good one Pearl! Animal cruelty has to be stopped.Good that you brought it into light.

    Agree

  • Kevin, mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Hey Pearl i totally agree to what you are trying to put forward. infact the pig scene should be avoided as it is really cruel. doesnt make sense to put animals through torture for fun. its like hunting for fun. pefect spot on pearl

    Agree

  • Smitha D'Souza, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 15 2010

    Pearl,Very nice article. So many of us had this sad feeling like you when we used to see this.We never raised our voice.Good that you brought it into light.This definitely should bring awareness to all of them following this tradition

    Agree

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