Pope says Church should ask forgiveness from gays for past treatment


Rome, Jun 27 (Agencies) : Pope Francis said on Sunday that Christians and the Roman Catholic Church should seek forgiveness from homosexuals for the way they had treated them.

Speaking to reporters aboard the plane taking him back to Rome from Armenia, he also said the Church should ask forgiveness for the way it has treated women, for turning a blind eye to child labor and for "blessing so many weapons" in the past.

In the hour-long freewheeling conversation that has become a trademark of his international travels, Francis was asked if he agreed with recent comments by a German Roman Catholic cardinal that the Church should apologize to gays.

Francis looked sad when the reporter asked if an apology was made more urgent by the killing of 49 people at a gay club in Orlando, Florida this month.

He recalled Church teachings that homosexuals "should not be discriminated against. They should be respected, accompanied pastorally."

He added: "I think that the Church not only should apologize ... to a gay person whom it offended but it must also apologize to the poor as well, to the women who have been exploited, to children who have been exploited by (being forced to) work. It must apologize for having blessed so many weapons."

The Church teaches that homosexual tendencies are not sinful but homosexual acts are, and that homosexuals should try to be chaste.

Francis repeated a slightly modified version of the now-famous "Who am I to judge?" comment he made about gays on the first foreign trip after his election in 2013.

"The questions is: if a person who has that condition, who has good will, and who looks for God, who are we to judge?"

FORGIVENESS, NOT JUST APOLOGY

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said that the pope, by saying "has that condition", did not imply a medical condition but "a person in that situation". In Italian, the word "condition" can also mean "situation".

"We Christians have to apologize for so many things, not just for this (treatment of gays), but we must ask for forgiveness, not just apologize! Forgiveness! Lord, it is a word we forget so often!" he said.

Francis has been hailed by many in the gay community for being the most merciful pope toward them in recent history and conservative Catholics have criticized him for making comments they say are ambiguous about sexual morality.

He told reporters on the plane "there are traditions in some countries, some cultures, that have a different mentality about this question (homosexuals)" and there are "some (gay) demonstrations that are too offensive for some".

But he suggested that those were not grounds for discrimination or marginalization of gays.

The pope did not elaborate on what he meant by seeking forgiveness for the Church "having blessed so many weapons", but it appeared to be a reference to some Churchmen who actively backed wars in the past.

In other parts of the conversation, Francis said he hoped the European Union would be able to give itself another form after the United Kingdom's decision to leave.

"There is something that is not working in that bulky union, but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water, let’s try to jump-start things, to re-create," he said.

He also denied reports that former Pope Benedict, who resigned in 2013, was still exercising influence inside the Vatican.

"There is only one pope," he said. He praised Benedict, 89, for "protecting me, having my back, with his prayers".

Francis said he had heard that when some Church officials had gone to Benedict to complain that Francis was too liberal, Benedict "sent them packing".

  

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  • sam, world

    Wed, Jun 29 2016

    @Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome

    “Dear Sam, stop playing God! The Spirit knows to guide the Church. If the Pope guided by the Spirit has said something, there is truth in it. Forget this bogey about 'liberalist' thinking... and your judgmental attitude. ...and yes, let us pray for the Pope and trust in the Spirit too!”

    - Dear Rev. Fr. stop deceiving people with your liberalist/modernist thinking. God is not to be mocked!
    - The Pope is NOT guided by the Holy Spirit when he goes contrary to the teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ. That is a blatant lie and you know as well as I do, that sins and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven!

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  • Robert Pais, Mangalore

    Wed, Jun 29 2016

    Peter headed the early church, the present pope is holding that position of Peter. There are no contradictions( as I see it).

    Followers of Jesus can follow New testament alone. A parent has to rebuke a son or daughter for being Gay/transgender? I do not think so.

    Denying them the right to worship, right to be accepted and respected is what is meant by forgiveness. In my opinion it is nonsensical to quote scriptures to justify our intolerance and fear. If one cannot see God in another human being, help them - where do we stand?

    How are we different from Pharasees( Rabbi's) in New testament? They were critical of Jesus when he dined with tax collectors.

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  • Richard, Mangalore

    Wed, Jun 29 2016

    Robert Pais, One simple question , why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorra if this so called LGBT is just a biological deviation and not perversion ?
    Scientifically it is proved there is a passing inclination of gender identity in puberty. But instead of correction and help to grow up as a normal man or woman , our misguided society pampers them and encourages further perversion by creating a LGBT group.
    You are still free to follow the shepherds who like to be modern in their thinking. Blind leading the blind. You say it is better to follow new testament,fine. You dont have a clue that even new testament clearly condemns gay behaviour. Our attitude should be , to help the persons with deviant behaviour without hatred and correct them, but call perversion and deviation by its name ! Scriptures were not for cherry picking to suite peoples wrong and sick behaviour, neither to condemn anyone but correct all.

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  • Robert Pais, Mangalore

    Wed, Jun 29 2016

    I am not cherry picking. We do not have the moral right to judge others and parents cannot change the sexual orientation of their children.

    I do not agree with your view that it is a perversion. I do not think the society is accepting LGBT.

    I do not promote deviant behavior. I do not think any one should do that. However being born that way is not any ones fault and a person cannot be and should not be made feel guilty. I do not think the reference to Sodom or Gomorrah is relevant here.

    The essence of Pope Francis call was to seek forgiveness precisely for the reasons that it cannot be called a perversion. You can agree or disagree with it.

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  • John Tauro, M'luru / Kwt

    Tue, Jun 28 2016

    while Pope John Paul II had apologized for the Roman Catholic Church’s passive stand during Hitler’s atrocities on the Jews, the Church is yet to apologize for same stand taken during atrocities on fellow Christians viz. the members of the International Bible Students Association who did not support the Nazi - Fascist ideologies and refused to serve in the war. These people boldly preferred to die with their Jewish brethren in concentration camps rather than bowing before the mighty dictator.

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  • Gurudath, M'lore/Mumbai

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    I saw Pope when we visited Vatican last year. He is really people's Pope. Very popular.

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  • Robert Pais, Mangalore

    Tue, Jun 28 2016

    I completely agree with you.
    It has been proven that life on earth evolved over time - with irrefutable scientific evidence. Eminent scientist priests do not have problem with this concept as this does not contradict the existence of God. The Science as a discipline evolved over last 2 centuries. Therefore with this proper context - I do not find anything at odds in the new testament with evolution. Again others cannot judge me nor do I have the power to judge others beliefs.

    I can only state that people who interpret bible with very narrow and rigid view ( they are free to do so) should not squabble and judge others.

    It is wonderful and meaningful that Pope Francis has asked forgiveness from the LGBT and this comes within weeks of mass shooting of them at a club in Florida.

    Being Gay or LGBT or being a transgender etc is not ones choice- parents who are deeply religious many a times have had to wrestle with their conscience. Pressure from the society to marry with the opposite sex - is it a right path for these individuals? I do not think so. Many end their lives in frustration. In our good old India - they hide their orientation. Just because they hide does not mean it does not exist.

    Coming to Christs teaching : Love your God and love your neighbor sums up the essence of his teachings.He has clearly said - do not judge others. Before you try to clear the dirt from your brothers eyes , look at your own eyes and remove that dirt that blocks your "vision"

    All human beings have biases, prejudices and biases that some of them are inherent( human nature) while others are borrowed from the society( family, religious commune, town, country). Younger generation is always different from older generation and there is a generational shift.


    Ultimately no one can be on a higher pedestal( person, religion, race money status)- if we truly believe there is God almighty then lets not be the judge on " SINS" of the "others"

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  • Dominic, Shirva/Bristol, Shirva

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Thanks Fr. Mevin. Your reply to Jossey is correct but made in wrong context. Here the point is why church has to apologize the gay from the angle of word of God....never misinterpret or miss this point....

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  • Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Apologizing dear Dominic, is for all the demonizing of the people with homosexual tendencies that the Church has done down the centuries. Whether it is innate or psychological is debatable. Put yourself in the presence of Jesus and know that he would only show compassion to those with homosexual tendencies and not condemn them. They need help.. they need love and acceptance. That doesn't mean homosexual acts are condoned and acceptable... follow the Gospel, please. I personally know persons with homosexual tendencies who are suffering. They are not perverts. The Church ought to ask forgiveness from such persons who have been condemned in the past. Do you get my point now at least?

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  • sam, world

    Tue, Jun 28 2016

    @Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome
    “Put yourself in the presence of Jesus and know that he would only show compassion to those with homosexual tendencies and not condemn them”

    - Did Our Lord ask forgiveness from sinners? Then how can you even conceive the Church to ask forgiveness from sinners?
    - Rev Fr., with due respect, Our Lord Jesus Christ condemns sin, forgives sinners and wants sinners to repent.
    - Your liberal/modernist leanings condemned by the Church are leading the laity astray
    - Pray for the Holy Father(s), i.e. the Pope(s) Francis and Benedict XVI.

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  • Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome

    Tue, Jun 28 2016

    Dear Sam, stop playing God! The Spirit knows to guide the Church. If the Pope guided by the Spirit has said something, there is truth in it. Forget this bogey about 'liberalist' thinking... and your judgmental attitude. ...and yes, let us pray for the Pope and trust in the Spirit too!

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Nashville

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    May God Bless our Pope with Long Life ...

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  • Valerian D Souza, Udupi / Mumbai

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    It's important to know the nature of God through his words in scriptures.
    God gave us all the freedom but said we shall bear the consequences of our thoughts and deeds.
    He said Good trees will bear good fruits and bad will bear bad fruits.
    God said I hate deeds of Gays, lesbians as well those do sex with animals. That is the warning.
    But if sinner seeks forgiveness and refrain, God forgives.
    God restrained us to judge others. He said judgement is mine.
    But he gave rights to Govt. and religious.
    What you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven, what you prohibit will be prohibited in heaven.
    We have to see everything in this context.

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  • Mathew P., M'lore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Your first few sentences were marvelous except last sentence which takes away all your understandings from the first few sentences. Please do not contradict us vague terminology like Govt and Religions and act of binding on earth....

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  • Valerian D Souza, Udupi / Mumbai

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Mathew, you have right to your opinion on the basis of your reading and understanding, So I have mine.
    If you refer old testament, God gave rights to Kings to enact laws.
    In the New testament, Lord Jesus exhorted to Apostle Peter,said Whatever you permit and prohibit, so shall it be in kingdom of heaven.
    We have to refer, whether any instructions given later, supersedes the earlier. Moreover to understand about God, we need holy spirit.
    There are many more writings, it's not possible to write them all. Debate / contest can go on and on.
    It depends on you, what you draw from it!

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  • sam, world

    Tue, Jun 28 2016

    @Valerian D Souza, Udupi / Mumbai
    “God restrained us to judge others. He said judgement is mine”

    - Will we judge our son/daughter/wife if they sin? and leave the judgment to God Almighty or will we rebuke them?

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  • John Tauro, M'luru / Kwt

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    God created human beings as man and woman, to live as husband and wife and to grow and fill the earth. It’s not right to say He created homosexuals and lesbians. It’s a grave sin in the eyes of God to commit homosexual acts. God had punished the people of Sodom and Gomorrah with rain of fire for committing acts which are unnatural in His sight. People involved in such activities can in no way be accepted by Church. In the long run society may head towards a dangerous point if gay and lesbian marriages are allowed. At the same time condemning and alienating homosexuals and lesbians cannot solve the problem. It is a psycho-biological disorder which needs to be treated accordingly.

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  • Rajesh, mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    John, your last sentence says it is Psycho Biological problem. if it is a biological problem as you say, you have to blame god himself. He has created a biological abnormal and punish people for his imperfectness!!!. I advise all the people here to read Hans christian Andersons book 'emperors new clothes". May be we need small children unbiased view to bring us to reality which religion has blinded us thus far.

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  • Karthik karkera, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Most of the progressive and developed western nations have done so much of research on this subject and concluded that homosexuality is not a disorder it is not just observed in humans but many other species also hence they have abolished their archaic laws and given equal rights and status to homosexuals, The pope has understood the reality hence he has commented this way, It will probably take another decade for our society to understand this.

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  • Richard, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Christians have a choice to make. Either apologise on behalf of God who burnt down Sodom and Gomorra and be politically correct with the progressive world and pope, or stick to the truth that the bible represents as an eternal book. Any one who tries to misquote it or misrepresent it should read the last verse of the book of revelation.

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  • Mangalorean Atheist, Mangaluru

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    The Pope is making very humane comments.

    If the Catholics believe that their god created a human being, the same Catholics cannot question the wisdom of the same god for creating that human being in a particular way.

    People just love to make judgments.

    It is time to first find out if the god really exists. I am still searching.

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  • John Tauro, M'luru / Kwt

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Mangalorean Atheist,
    If you are still searching, then I suggest you please read the book, “Evolution or Creation” in order to find out if God really exists. Though written by men of religion, it has been widely acclaimed and acknowledged by prominent scientists. In India it is available with the Watchtower Society, No. 927/1, Addevishwanathapura, Rajanukunte, Bengaluru – 560064 / Phone No. 91-80-23092400

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  • Denis Lewis, Matpady, Brahmavar/Toronto, Canada

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear John Tauro, you are right about the book "Evolution or Creation". It is published by Jehovah's Witnesses. It provides by far the best scientific evidence in support of creation. I would also suggest that you go through our website www.jw.org and see two brouchers, "The Origin of Life - Five Questions Worth Asking" and "Was Life Created?". I am sure you enjoy reading them.

    Thanks,
    Denis.

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  • John Tauro, M'luru / Kwt

    Tue, Jun 28 2016

    Thank you Mr. Denis Lewis, I'm a regular browser of this website.

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    @Mangalorean Atheist, Mangaluru
    - Man chooses to sin or not to sin
    - Sin has different meanings and different outcomes in different religious beliefs
    - Do some searching on what sin is (Catholic, i.e. Christian belief), its disastrous consequences, and why Jesus Christ did what he did.

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  • Avinash, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Those who are commenting against the Respected Pope should read the bible properly. Half knowledge is always dangerous. Those who are commenting and saying Pope is wrong, having very less knowledge of Bible. Dear All, How much we follow the Holy Bible? We only go by words but not by deeds. Before we say Pope is wrong better we set our life according the bible, follow it and show the real Christianity. Long Live Holy Pope!

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    When your own morality becomes more superior than the morality taught by your religion... its the sign that you no longer require religion. Break your shackles and come outside the bubble.

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  • Mohandas P. K. , M'luru

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    God loves and sympathizes atheists. His ways are marvelous to them. Perhaps that is the reason you have taken so much interest in this topic :).

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  • Alphonso Rodrigues, Udupi

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    As per Pope we need to modify by our Bible according to the times and convenience.Today its about 'gays' next decade it might be something else.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Alphonso Rodrigues,

    If it can be modified to be religion of peace, it can be modified to accommodate homosexuals.

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  • Donald, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Take a good look at almost every developed nation out there and see their laws regarding this. its a taboo only in the third world .no wonder they are a 100 years ahead of us .

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  • Shankar, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    After reading all these comments, i just realized that the followers of the most forward thinking religion themselves are so backward in their thoughts!!

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  • Peter, K.S.A.

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear, we at least try to correct our past mistakes. Wish all ancient religions also follow the same and stop animal sacrifices as was done in Nepal and wasting thousands liters of milk on stone when poor children are malnourished. Have a nice day dear Shankar.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Shankar,

    I have known that all along and thats why i always behave like a troll with them, because you cant have any sane discussion with them on some progressive topics.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    People who comment of homosexuality being sin dont know that the same book also says not to consume pork and shell fish.

    I dont know about you people but i love pork chilli and marwai sukka. I would gladly go to hell by eating it.

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  • Dominic G. Paul, Belvai/Bristol

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Pope should ask forgiveness from God and not Church with Gays. Corrupt thinking of abyss. These are the signs of end time..Chosen people choose to deceive God by twisting God's words.

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  • Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Please try to understand what the Pope has said, before making irresponsible comments. The Pope is clearly making a distinction between the 'person' who is sacred and the 'act' which is profane.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome,

    I quote yours:

    The Pope is clearly making a distinction between the 'person' who is sacred and the 'act' which is profane.

    Unquote.

    Homosexuals as well as their acts are blunders. I don't perceive what is sacred in them.

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  • Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    If you are a Christian you will believe that every person is a child of God.. made in the 'image and likeness of God'(Gen 1:27)..no matter he/she be a murderer, dictator, terrorist.. is therefore sacred. No One is a blunder. His/her acts or omissions can make one a sinner but nonetheless they are God's creations and therefore graced at the very root of their being and they stand in need of mercy and healing. Never... ever miss this point!

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    All are children of God.

    Do we invite evil possessed children to our churches.

    I do agree to forgive.
    Do they abide in it or will they malign others also in the church.

    If we invite the evil the evil will growl and prowl to destroy the churches built on the rock foundation of Jesus Christ.

    POPE FRANCIS AGREED THAT THERE ARE PEDOPHILES IN THE VATICAN.I don't know it is a media twist or he really agreed. If so I am ashamed of it.

    I don't want to go into the clergy matters as you know it very well.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome,

    You are in Europe now.
    See now where are the churches in the Europe? What is the attendance in the churches of Europe.

    Once the Catholics were in great numbers all over the world. Now it is diminished drastically. How come it is diminished?

    I see more spirituality and piety in the laymen than the priests of the present.

    Late Pope John Paul II a saintly person closed one of the seminary in Austria after the pictures appeared in the BBC media.

    WE NEED THE CLARITY, PURITY AND HOLINESS IN THE CHURCHES PRACTICED BY THE PRIESTS THEMSELVES AT FIRST BEFORE PREACHING OTHERS. Not just pretending.
    I am greatly missing great St. Paul in the present church.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome,

    All are Children of God.

    Why then God destroyed the homosexuals of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Aren't they the children of God made in His image and likeness.

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    @Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome
    - The Pope is making irresponsible comments. Sin must be condemned whether you are a Pope or you are aam aadmi and that responsibility goes to you also Rev. Fr.
    - Luke 17:1-2 “And he said to his disciples: It is impossible that scandals should not come: but woe to him through whom they come. It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones. “
    - If the Holy Father seeks forgiveness, he must also seek that the sinner repent !
    - Pray for the Holy Father.

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  • Fr. Melwin Pinto S.J. , Mangalore / Rome

    Wed, Jun 29 2016

    Dear Sam, you have rightly caught the bull by the tail...!

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  • Claver P., Somverpette

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Zeitgeist, Mangalore.. If you know Holy Book, Do you know about sodom and gomorrah. That is the answer to you. I say monkey or mockery theory but you say evolution.

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  • Dominique, Bristol

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    If you still follow rigid old doctrines and customs of the ancient church you are bound to loose your adherents ,That's why atheism is on the rise in the west ,I am glad this pope is very liberal .

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  • Francis Savious P., Cambridge

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Ways to Hell is wide (liberal) Ways to Heaven is Narrow are difficult. Please get refreshed and get rekindled by the Holy Spirit by words of Jesus. No time is ahead of God's time. We feel compassion on ourselves, a mode of being liberal..GATE is WIDE !!

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Forgiveness to any human includes gays and godless people are the good works of Christians.

    However, I don't perceive why they are Gays and what the necessity is when God made male and female to love and live together with the children and family as a whole.

    Gays, Lesbians conducting marriages from the same sex, is it a joke, farce and will not they malign / degrade whole society once they are accepted in the Churches.

    I am not happy with the statements comes out from Pope Francis in this regard also the media is twisting his statements to suit to godless people and the gays. Media is caught up by the Satan.

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  • Peter, K.S.A.

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Mr. Gonsalves, with due respect I disagree your comment for disagreeing with the statement of our beloved Pope. Kindly read this particular sentence of Pope which says "homosexual tendencies are not sinful but homosexual acts are, and that homosexuals should try to be chaste". God created Man and woman. However, we do not know about creation of gays. Nothing happens without a purpose. Certainly God has a purpose for this creation as well which is not known to us. Who are we to judge and sideline these people ? Instead, we should treat them with full respect. I really appreciate Hindu community for the respect they show to gays. Apologies, if I am wrong. Wishing peace and happiness for all Daiji readers.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Peter KSA,

    I quote yours: "homosexual tendencies are not sinful but homosexual acts are, and that homosexuals should try to be chaste". Unquote.

    Agreed.

    THE CHURCH CAN ACCEPT THEM ONCE THEY ARE CHASTE NOT PRIOR TO THAT. WE CAN FORGIVE THEM. HOW WILL YOU PROVE THEY HAVE BECOME CHASTE. THEY SHOULD MARRY ONE FEMALE AND LIVE WITH HER LIFE LONG.

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  • Peter, K.S.A.

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Mr. Gonsalves, only if they marry a woman and stay with their wife they will be chaste ? Unmarried persons can not be chaste ? May be I am wrong. Would like to refrain from further comments on this topic.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Peter, K.S.A,

    I have commented about the Homosexuals.

    Not for the non-homosexuals.

    UN-MARRIED PEOPLE CAN ALSO BE CHASTE. SEE BELOW.

    I quote 1 Corinthians 7:8-9

    I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

    But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Peter KSA,
    I beg of your pardon for my previous comment specified as Agreed.

    I quote yours:

    I don't agree for the the homosexuals tendencies are not sinful.

    Homosexuals tendencies are also sinful.

    HOMOSEXUALS MEANS THEMSELVES ARE SINFUL.

    THEY CAN REPENT AND COME OUT FROM THE HOMOSEXUALITY TO REMAIN CHASTE BY MARRYING OR THEY CAN REMAIN SOLELY BACHELOR LIKE ST. PAUL. OR LIVE LIKE AN IMPOTENT FOR THE SAKE OF OBTAINING KINGDOM OF GOD IN HEAVEN AFTER DEATH.

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    @Peter, K.S.A.
    “homosexual tendencies are not sinful but homosexual acts are, and that homosexuals should try to be chaste”

    - Mr. Peter, let me remind you how Our Lord Jesus Christ views adultery
    - Matthew 5:28 “But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
    - So what tendencies are sinful and what aren’t?

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  • Claver P., Somverpette

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Few of Pope's statements are against the Bible.

    1. God did not create the world but big explosion.
    2. God did not create the human beings but evolution.
    3. Washing of feet on Last Supper has gone over what Jesus practiced.
    4. About Divorce
    5. On Gay

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Claver P.,

    1. Yes...Our universe formed after the Big Bang. As of today what we know is that it happened and there are evidence to suggest it happened.
    2. Again... Evolution is a fact. there is overwhelming evidence to prove it.
    3.I really dont care about that.
    4.Its better to divorce than to kill each other.
    5. All humans should be treated with equal respect. you dont have right to attack those who maybe different than you.

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  • Claver P., Somverpette

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    If so, do you think that God's revelations in the revealed Holy Book are no more valid for we are ahead of time ? God is ahead of all Time. We only twist and spin it to suite to our environment ? Who is the author of the Holy Book ? He is the Alpha and Omega, is above Big Bang, Monkey theories or any such theories.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Claver P.,

    The way you have commented, which clearly shows a lack of your understanding of the ''Holy Book'' that you mentioned. So I dont see any point of arguing with you.

    And there is nothing called monkey theory..

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  • Shevrine , M'luru

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Church's child abuse crimes have gone over the board, no need new encouragement to break church of Jesus. No one should follow the rules blindly if they are not supported by our Holy Doctrines.

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  • Abraham P. Solomon, Kadri/Shirva

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Such teachings may encourage new gays in the community.

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  • Donald, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    You make it sound like they keep falling from the trees every now and then .

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  • Abraham P. Solomon, Kadri/Shirva

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    It might happen if you encourage them to fall of abyss.

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  • Maggi Pauline, Shivamogga

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    A Church is a Not a Church if it's doctrines are not supported by the teachings of Jesus.

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  • Monthi Therese, B'luru

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Do not encourage what is forbidden by God.

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  • Donald, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    World is moving on ,dont be stuck in the past ,Many things were forbidden before ,but they are irrelevant in modern times ,You will be surprised to know how many Great people in History were homosexuals ,Alexander to name one.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Donald,

    Homosexuality was viewed as normal in ancient greece and there woul`nt have disgust as it is seen now. Its not shocking that Alexander was one. In Homer`s epic, Illiad, Achilles and Patroclus were lovers. Sparta which was well known for its warriors had no problems with it. Men were allowed to have sexual relations with each other.

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  • Monthi Therese, B'luru

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Forget about Alexander time. Do you know Sodom and Gomorrah. Such practice was then too. God hated such perverted mind and practice therefore he punished and given instructions through the Prophets to stop such practice.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Dear Donald,

    I quote 1 timothy 2:19-20
    holding faith, and a good conscience which some having put away,
    concerning faith have made shipwreck :
    of whom is Hymeneus and Alexander
    whom I have delivered unto
    Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. Unquote.

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  • Monthi Therese, B'luru

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    My friend God will judge them. You please do not get judged for you judge them to suite your time and mind !!

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  • Peter Paul Thomas, Udupi

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Let no one cross the path of God's doctrine - Our Holy Book.

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  • Moses David Paul, M'luru

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    If it is a new man made doctrine and if it is NOT supported in our our Holy Book. But this even future gays will be discouraged while Pope wants to encourage.

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  • Don, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Apologizing for past mistakes is the first step in reconciliation, and an apology has 3 parts.
    1. It is my/our fault, and I'm/we truly sorry.
    2. Words should be followed by actions in setting things right and stopping the discrimination.
    3. Never ever repeat those mistakes again.

    Hence, an apology should follow by concrete actions in setting things right.

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  • Shankar, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    I love Pope Francis.
    He is far ahead of times.
    Mangalorean Catholics should speed up the pace and follow him.
    I was really appalled by seeing the comments by Christians here on articles about LGBT community.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Shankar,

    You are absolutely right. Just imagine the are disagreeing with the person who they themselves regard as vicar of christ.

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  • Jacob Job Amos, M'lore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    God is ahead of ALL TIME. None of the Prophets ever supported gays practice directly or indirectly !!! but was punishable under God's Law. A perishing man can't go over the God's Law and take others also to Perish !!!

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    Jacob Job Amos,

    Disrespecting parents also is punishable by death according to bible... so why dont anyone of you carry it out.

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  • Jacob Job Amos, M'lore

    Mon, Jun 27 2016

    It is a wrong information Zeitgeist. Please read bible again to get corrected.

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