Mandya: K S Bhagawan sparks row with remark on Lord Ram and Mandir

Wed, Nov 07 2018 08:14:37 PM

Daijiworld Media Network – Mandya (EP)

Mandya, Nov 7: Sparking a row, Kannada author and rationalist K S Bhagavan who came to Adichunchanagiri here on Wednesday, November 7, made a controversial statement about Lord Ram and objected to construction of Ram Mandir.

He said that if Hindu religion should survive, the word Shudra should be removed from 'Manusmrathi'. “Shudra does not only means slaves, but it also means that they are ‘children of prostitutes’. Do we need such indecent word? Does it bring respect to us? Do you agree to it?” he asked.

“I have studied Valmiki Ramayana for the last two years and I wrote a book 'Rama Mandira Eke Beda', (Why we do not want Ram Mandir). If we read the book, we will know that Lord Ram was against ordinary people. He became the representative of 'Chaturvarna’ and got himself identified for its salvation. He is neither human nor God. Ram is not mentioned as God anywhere in Valmiki Ramayana. Those priests who found it suitable have made Ram and Krishna as Gods.

“There are 95% Shudras in this country. Do we agree if they are called slaves and children of prostitutes? It is mentioned in 415th shloka of 8th chapter of Manusmrathi. I am saying this because people should know it. I will say this even if I am shot. It does not matter if what I say is controversial,” he said.

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DINeSH, DUBAI
Thu, Nov 08 2018
these type of evil can get security only in india with tax payers money..

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KRISHNA, MANGALORE
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Ignore this person, mad man

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ca girishkk, m'lore/dxb
Fri, Nov 09 2018
We can ignore this person..., but what about his views about Hinduism..., to be honest I never knew this fact till date..., that too coming from the brain of an intellectual BRAHMIN ....!!!!

After reading this nail biting fact/truth ..., at least I don't wish to be associated with religion Hindu which include and recognize "Shudra" as part of it....!!!! (obviously for VOTES")

Now the million $ question is ..., how come majority of BRAHMIN's have white skin..., though there is an undeniable fact about ARYAN... DNA...., the divisive/discriminating mentality align with that of Britishers....!!! "divide & rule policy' ...,

Hindustani's must be aware & beware of them...,.

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jr, MANGALORE
Thu, Nov 08 2018
THOSE WHO ARE NOT KIND ENOUGH TO THE SOCIETY AND VOILENT ARE NO DOUBT SHUDRA'S . THE NAME NEVER SUITS TO THE PERSON CONCERNED BECAUSE RIGHT PERSON NEVER GIVE REMARKS OF PAST BUT THINKS FOR BETTER FUTURE TO THE SOCIETY.

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Vincent Rodrigues, Katapadi/Bangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Worship the Creator and what He has created.

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JR, MANGALORE
Thu, Nov 08 2018
THIS TYPE OF CROOKED AUTHORS WAKE UP WHEN ELECTIONS ARE APPROACHING WITH REMARKS ON SOME OF THE BOOKS WHICH IS NOWHERE IN CIRCULATION JUST TO CREATE HATRED AMONG THE PEOPLE OF A COMMUNITY AND TO ENJOY THE PLEASURE OF PEOPLE FIGHTING THEMSELVES.

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K V Kamath, Mangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
What can a rationalist understand on any religion ? Blind man defining Elephant. What can he see on the subject or understand it. Ignore him.

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Rudolf Rodrigues, Mumbai
Thu, Nov 08 2018
In reality of course there are plenty of reasons to believe that organized religious institutions are nothing special and serve no higher purpose. More than anything, they’re designed by people to serve the will of people, with the very human purposes of consolidating wealth, power, and spreading an ideology so that more people continue to buy into it.

The crucial distinction is that while they espouse some sort of moral code, in practice these institutions are self-serving above all else, at the cost of contradicting whatever dead dogma they preach to their adherents.

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Rudolf Rodrigues, Mumbai
Thu, Nov 08 2018
In reality of course there are plenty of reasons to believe that organized religious institutions are nothing special and serve no higher purpose. More than anything, they’re designed by people to serve the will of people, with the very human purposes of consolidating wealth, power, and spreading an ideology so that more people continue to buy into it.

The crucial distinction is that while they espouse some sort of moral code, in practice these institutions are self-serving above all else, at the cost of contradicting whatever dead dogma they preach to their adherents.

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PAM Suvarna, karkala
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Being a hindu i never read or followed manushmruthi or i never used word shudra.
May be this nonsense talking guy having phobia of so called manushmruthi.
Every day talk a nonsense subject not at all related to present way of life by Hindus.

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Satya, Bantwal
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Please read manusmriti & comment on learned people

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Rudolf Rodrigues, Mumbai
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Bhaghawan might have definitely researched on the topic before making such a bold controversial statement! We need contrarian open minded thinkers who portray the truth to dispel myths among most people (across all religions) who are indoctrinated from childhood and follow everything with a shut brain!!

People resort to killing only when their faculty to counter argue the claims made by rational thinkers fails absolutely, but the truth is always the truth!!

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sri_elder, Karkala
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Looks like bhagavan is a half filled vessel might have secretly converted to Islam or Christianity... And whoever speaks against Ram is truth for you...

First incident about Babri mosque opposition started around 1860 when Brits landed there defeating Islamic forces... And by that time mosque may be around 200 years old and atrocities played Islamist on Hindus were still remembered by Hindus there ok.

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Fayaz, Mangalore /Dubai
Thu, Nov 08 2018
WORSHIP THE CREATOR NOT CREATION

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Moshu, Mangaluru
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Which is mentioned in hinduism sacred scriptures.

1."Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1

2."Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2

3."Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3

The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

"Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."

"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]

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shankar, Banglore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Who should decide who is creator and what is creation ?!

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Rajesh, Mangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Everything was created. Nothing called creater and created. everythig is part of God and that everything is in eternal transformation.

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Vasanth, Mangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
For a Brahmin all meat eaters are Shudras, All Acharyas starting from Shakaracharya revived Brahminism not Hinduism,

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Amith, NAGPUR
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Most Tolerant Rajesh, Mangalore - who killed Gauri Lankesh? Who killed Dabholkar ? Who killed Govind Pansare? Who killed Kalburgi ??? Did the Muslim ISI come from Pakistan to kill above Hindus or Christian CIA come from USA???? Your Chaddi Gangs like Sanathan, Bajrangis, VHP, Rama and Ravana Sene, HJV & HIV ........etc. are most dangerous and ruthless than Taliban and ISIS . But these bunch of Rowdies are not Hindus, they are Hindutvas !!!! YES !!!! Once upon a time Hindus were most Tolerant people on the planet better than Buddhist!!!! but today these Hindutvas maligned our forefathers hard earned tolerance title!!!!! In short "FEKU &DAKU " completely poisoned the new generation!!!!

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Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Stop fighting - There's only One God the Creator ...

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Deepak, Mang
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Slave supported by slaves govt.. popikala for both...

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Observer, Mangaluru
Wed, Nov 07 2018
He said it is mentioned in 415th shloka of 8th chapter of Manusmrathi. Is it true?

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Rajesh, Mangalore
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Mr Bhagwaan,
You say,
"I am saying this because people should know it. I will say this even if I am shot".
You say this because you know Hindus are by and large tolerant people. This is India and not Pakisthan Mr Bhagawaan. In Pakisthan a lady was in Jail for 9 years on alleged charges of Blasphemy. after nearly a decade of Jail this woman was acquitted by the top court of Pakisthan. even after getting acqitted the religious fanatics out there want her to be killed. Lacs of people came out to streets. The country was in standstill. they forced the government to have the case reviewd. had you made a blasphemous statement right or wrong, you would have been killed by the state itself and not some fanatic.

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H. Siddhanti, Udupi/Washington DC
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Why do we compare ourselves to Pakistan which is neither democratic or civilized? They follow some barbaric laws. Let’s be enlightened people who will accept the truth and strive to bring about great egalitarian society.

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Roshan Patrao, Traffic Warden, Mangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Blasphemy is the weapon used by the so called DHARM RAKSHAKS to suppress questioning. Whenever someone questions the established tenets of a religion, he is termed heretic or blasphemous. No religion is exception to this. But this is not the fault of the religion, but that of the DHARM RAKSHAKS.

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Saj, Mangaluru/Mumbai
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Whether in good or bad taste, we Indians since past few years compare ourselves with the one and only Country in the world and i.e. Pakistan! Pakistan is bad, so we can be worst! What a logic. Lets compare ourselves with the best and look for excellence...

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Jude, Belmannu
Wed, Nov 07 2018
He is 100% right.still there is no way for shudras to get equal treatment in hindu society.but it's sad that these shudras forgot that indira gandhi gave them there right.land .but now they forgot all that and supporting brahmin ideal govt. R s s .which curbing there rights.silently.

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sri_elder, Karkala
Thu, Nov 08 2018
95% of shudras could not fight 5% of other category?
During stone age people were hunter gatherers..next came iron age bronze age etc...
Tools were made to cultivate land...
Whoever had intelligence to farm land and take care of cows ruled the mass...since he could produce and multiply grains.. Which was must for long survival.. Other helpers become shudras... They were dependent on farming people to feed their stomach... Ok...

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Rajesh, Mangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
We have to compare Pakisthan because when Indiass demography tilts which is likely in another 3 to 4 decades from now, it may become same like Pakisthan.

why only Pakisthan, In Sudi Arabia, if saudi national proclaims atheism, he will be beheaded. Do you want some more countries?

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SB, Mangaluru
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Funny world....!

When Bhagwan speaks against Hindus/ Hinduism, followers of other religions and Atheists support him....

When Tarek Fateh speaks against Muslims or someone speaks against Christianity, followers of Hinduism support him....

Finally "mine is bigger and better than yours" is mainly attributed to religion and nothing other than religion!

Guys, let religion be inside the four walls... If you believe in a greater power, fine... If you don't, it is still fine...

A greater power that is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient does not require mortals to defend its honor.....

à²‡à²¦à³ à²Žà²‚à²¥à²¾ à²²à³‹à²•à²µà²¯à³à²¯....?

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G M Hegde, Udupi
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Isko aur iski ha mein ha milane walon ka ek aur inch kaatne ka aadesh dena chahiye. A poor Christian girl in Pakistan is fighting to save her life from Kangaroo & Talibani court based on witnesses of 2 women neighbours for committing blasphemy. This is the beauty of Hindu religion, tolerance against evil.

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Rajesh, Mangalore
Wed, Nov 07 2018
I do not want to condemn this man. Not even 1% of Hindus would have read munusrithi or vedas. So if he said it the way he said it one need not be intolerant. The best would be to check if he is correct or wrong if one is interested. With regard to slaves (Shudras) he should also in the same vein try to understand what right hand posses means in islam. The women who are spoils of war may be raped and enslaved after their husbands are killed or enslaved. let him take some of his time to read understand and delete texts wherever it warrants or inform peopele what to delete. One should respect Bhagwan if he is sincere in his efforts at the same time it is also advisable to understand people like Salman rushdie, Ayaan hirsi Ali etc if one wants to understand religion from a critics point of view.

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Fz, Mlore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
The accusation used here is clearly meant to malign Islam & Muslims and divert question without answering the real issue posted in this news. Slavery was not initiated by Islam, it had been in practice long before the advent of Islam. As we know, it’s the custom of war to have captives and those captives or prisoners used to be turned into slaves and concubines by their masters. This was not the case only in the pre-Islamic Arab regions, but it was there every other place. It was even worse in some societies, especially with women. She was subject to all kinds of injustice, oppression and barbarian treatment. When Islam came, it tried to put an end to all such inhumane practices. It left no stone unturned in its quest to let women have their rights and dignity restored. This is clearly manifest in the way Islam handled the issue of slavery.

As we know, after the end of hostility, it’s the norm that prisoners of war be freed and exchanged through mutual agreement between the parties. Islam has made this clear in its divine texts that the captives must be freed through ransom or without ransom. Also, it’s socially understood that marrying freed female captives, would normally secure their rights, more than would be the case if they were set free without any guarantee for survival or for preserving their dignity. slavery is a social ailment that needed to be addressed. So it was a gradual strategy laid down by Islam, not only to eradicate slavery, but also to give the freed slaves a complete social rehabilitation.

As for female captives, Imam Bukhari quotes the Prophet, as saying: “If any of you have a slave girl, whom he gives good education and excellent training, and then he emancipates her and marries her, he shall have a two-fold reward.” You see that’s how Islam set the course of emancipating slaves.

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Rajesh, Mangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
What was a norm then is not a norm now. If we contextualise and say that it was normal at those times to have slave Girls and that in those context it was Ok. My question is when life and the book is for all hereafter, there should be a problem if somebody were to say that it is permissible now under my religious law. What to say of him. There would not be a punishable offence now correct. It is the same permission invoked to sell yazidis in slave market and justified as it is permissible In religion. Argument such as it is not permissible now as it is not a norm now to have slaved girls would not find any takers among the religious fanatics.

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Rajesh, Mangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Agreed what was a norm then is not a norm now. If we contextualise and say that it was normal at those times to have slave Girls and that in those context it was Ok. The question is when life and the holy book is for all times hereafter, there would not be a punishable offence now if it’s practised now correct? Is it not the same permission invoked to sell yazidis in slave market? Will the religious fanatics now onwards not carry on such a practise for the reason that it is not a norm now? They would all ways put forth the permission clause if its convenient to them.

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H. Siddhanti, Udupi/Washington DC
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Let everyone study the Koran and hadiths to understand what the point of view of islam towards slavery is, and then one can easily understand the actions of groups like isis and other groups. Presenting "feel good" ideas to people who are not educated in the theology or history of the religion is just trying to present a sanitized version which is not based on truth.

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H. Siddhanti, Udupi/Washington DC
Thu, Nov 08 2018
You are 100% correct. I have read the Manusmriti and Valmiki Ramayana in the original Sanskrit as well as in translation. Prof. Bhagawan is telling the truth about what is in these books. Those who condemn him should first read these books.

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Avinash tiwari, Kalindikunj, Nwe delhi
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Bhagwan is admi ko sadbuddhhi de.......lord donot need us.....instead we need lord.....we need to worship lord for ourselves .....for peace and prosperity of the world........ maximum people in our country......living together in same society.....above without bothering about regilion, caste ,creed and background.........
People like him protruding negavity in society.......
Ese kitne blasphemy karne wale aye or chale bhi gaye......

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GD, Udupi
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Full confusion being created. Everybody is speaking no listeners. Lot of intellectuals, nationalists, anti nationals, pro Hindu, anti hindu and rationalists Too many VIPs in the country creates chaos.

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Observer, Mangaluru
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Revelation is shocking. !! It will be very sad thing for humanity if it is true...

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Sharan, BENGALURU
Wed, Nov 07 2018
People ask, why Hindus are becoming intolerant? Here is the answer.

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Pavan, Mlr
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Chaddi nahi soch baldo....

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Riyaz Aboobaker, Riyadh
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Well well Well. I hope now you understand the heat and pain. I am sure when there were acts of intolerance in the muslim community in the name of Things which are not real like th e cartoons you have critisized it a lot. But what prof. bhagwan is saying is based on complete facts. not some cooked up thing. Please think.

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Smile, Mlore
Wed, Nov 07 2018
So much distortion and controversies since few years. VHP needs to form a committee to settle these type of random distortions. scholars of highest level should be appointed.

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Nc, Mangalore
Wed, Nov 07 2018
What vhp commite do after encounter or what. Gauri lankesh killed vhp and rss terroist.truth will come out wait dont worry.

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R Bhandarkar, Mangaluru
Wed, Nov 07 2018
I have heard of some many people being transformed after reading the
Ramayana,Mahabharata,Geetha,Bible,Quran,Guru Granth Sahib and so many other holy scriptures.
This is the First Duffer I am reading about who has come out with such observations.
And he has wasted two years .....
The little he could have done was at the outset read the story of Valmiki and what
transformed him in the first place!
You have to blessed to decipher correctly the holy books too !-
God grant everyone the power of understanding.
Comes to mind the released Pakistani citizen who went back with a Geetha.

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Amith, NAGPUR
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Mamu, that's why your party is called "Bharatiya Joota Party " not ready to listen to the truth, only Spreading the LIES!!!!! Mamu, Instead of Twisting and Churning , give the definition of Shudra and Manusmrathi , that is enough to enlighten those who can't read Sanskrit !!!!!!

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R Bhandarkar, Mangaluru
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Before accusing others of spreading lies introspect self ....
Are you truthful in presenting yourself as " Amith Nagpur" ? This in itself is a blatant
Lie....
Self introspection ultimately leads,you to realization not anything else.

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Amith, NAGPUR
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Mamu, I would like to invite you to Nagpur for your confirmation !!!! Let's see who is "SACHHA" and who is "JOOTA" Please let me know your arrival at NAGPUR Junction!!!! For the easy identification, kindly let me know your CHADDI (trousers ) colour!!!!! BTW, are you the INHABITANT of Mangaluru??????

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R Bhandarkar, Mangaluru
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Really in Nagpur ? MAAMU?
Give me your address .It's enough.
Your craze for Chaddis.is amusing though.Grew up without wearing any in Nagpur?

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sri_elder, Karkala
Wed, Nov 07 2018
This intellectual is very funny 😁

Shudra doesn't mean slaves but rest of the crowd other than first three!

Prostitutions was there long ago... Institution of marriage came much later in the timeline... Earlier every human birth was without marriage procedure!

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Praveen, Mangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
Ninna.... Kaalog thakka kola

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Swamy, Mangalore
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Slaves are slaves for life from the beginning of Indian history. First they welcomed Moguls and became slaves and became partners in crime and loot. Next they became slaves of Britishers and helped to loot and became traitors and killed few upper class who opposed to be slaves and fought for independent India. Now since they have independence they want others to be thier slaves and blind Bhakths.

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Rajesh, Udupi
Wed, Nov 07 2018
Correction
after inepdendance, they have become slaves of the dynasty.. All along they hated their own heritage. made fun of their own religion.

Who are they?

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Swamy, Mangalore
Thu, Nov 08 2018
They are who wear CHADDI an anti Indian dress who opposed independence and were Britishers boot licking slaves. Traitors of the nation, traitors of religion and traitors of heritage.

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Rajesh, Udupi
Thu, Nov 08 2018
And life fully dedicated to slavery of shivbhakt DNA made in Italy assembled in India.

Dil he ki manta nahi? LOL

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