Mangaluru: 'Black Day' observed in protest of treatment of Dalit Christians


Daijiworld Media Network - Mangaluru (SB)

Mangaluru, Aug 10: The Social and Media Committee of Mangaluru Diocesan Pastoral Parishad held a demonstration in front of DC office on Thursday, August 10 demanding amendment of constitutional Order 1950(Scheduled Caste) in order to include Dalit Christians also in the Scheduled Caste category.

Office for the SC/BC at the Catholic Bishops Conference of India (CBCI) observes August 10 as 'Black day' to protest against the unjust constitutional order 1950 which excludes Dalit Christians from the SC list on the basis of religion.

It can be recalled that the constructional order 1950 was amended in 1956 to include the Sikhs and in 1990 to include the Buddhists.

Msgr Denis Moras Prabhu the vicar general of the diocese of Mangaluru in his message urged the government of India to take up the issue as early as possible and do justice to the people that have been deprived of their rights for the last seven decades.

Dr Vincent Alva, the principal of Milagres College Kallianpur said, “If there is yes for them, why not for us? This is the question asked today all over India on behalf of Dalit Christians regarding their exclusion from SC list and for that reason August 10 is observed 'Black Day' . The then president of India Dr Babu Rajendra

Prasad signed the constitution order 1950 which excluded the Dalit Christians from the SC list on the basis of their faith. The SC facilities are extended to the Sikh and Buddhist communities, but the Christians and Muslims are kept away from this privilege. This is not the justice."

MP Noronha, secretary of pastoral parishad said, "The Dalit Christians are eligible to get all the facilities which are given to the Dalits who converted as Sikhs and Buddhists. But they are kept aside from benefits in the name of faith. And the government is doing this. It is not fair as per the social justice. It amounts to crushing of the rights of people. It is a type of legal oppression. Yes, they belong to a religion. But as per social classification they are Dalits. And accordingly they have their own rights to get the facilities of SC people,”

“As per Article 341 of the Indian Constitution, the President of India can include people from any caste, race and tribe to the list. One should remember that religion is not caste, race and tribe. Only Scheduled Tribe category does not have caste. But SC category has caste. The lawmakers need to keep these points in mind and should provide justice to the deprived. Christians , Muslims, Parsis and Jains are excluded presently from this list. Justice has to be given to these people as these people are also Indian citizens. They talk about uniform civil code. Why no uniform law among Dalits? Why discrimination here? When you cannot give justice to the suppressed people, how you will give it to all citizens?” he questioned.

After the demonstration, a memorandum was submitted to the DC office to be forwarded to the President and Prime Minister of India.

Fr Onil D Souza, the convener of Social and Media Committee of the Diocesan Pastoral Parishad, gave brief introduction on the purpose of organizing the demonstration and welcomed the dignitaries and the assembled people.

Fr Peter Gonsalves the assistant director of St Antony Institutes Jeppu compered the programme.

  

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  • Raj, Mangaluru

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    First remove discrimination of Dalit Christians by Christians specially in North India. Many have reconverted back to Dalit Hindu.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Dear Raj, Mangaluru,

    We are not scared of propaganda. As these days lot of propaganda are on due to the fundamentals gaining power. Christianity is built on the rock foundation.

    No human fundoos or the devil can shake it up.

    Those keep the faith till the end will be saved.

    Jesus said I am the truth and the life. No one comes to me except by me.

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  • Krishna, Karkala

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    The status of Dalit Christians has no changed even after conversation.
    Still they remain untouchable.
    In Tamilnadu Dalit Christains remain separately from the main stream during the prayers meeting.
    After death also there is a separate burial place for Dalit Christians.
    Discrimination and ill treatment is going on all over the place against Dalit Christians.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Dear Krishna, Karkala,

    Totally false. You are blind towards Christianity and Christians.

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  • Anup Dsouza, Venoor

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    What was the real reason behind protest? Once dalit converted to Christianity then he will become follower of Jesus. Don't term as a dalit Christian or Hindu Christian. Jesus never discriminated his followers on cast or creed or on tribe base. It's our community responsibility to take care of those who joins with us and not to demand or protest for seperate rights/reservations. There are many minority schemes and programs available frm both central and state govt. Guide and help them to get benefits of this. Why our community leaders much bothered on this issues. I have seen our leaders are behind politics. When kavya issue going viral from fast days no community leaders come forward to support and fight for justice. Why can't they protest? Because money matters dignity, position, cast, religion every where when it comes "poor people" . Finally Love them as we love one another or these people demand or protest separate church for dalit Christians.(regret for using dalit word. Because all we are human beings. Don't term them as seperate name. We r children of one God)

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Dear Anup Dsouza, Venoor,

    Protesting peacefully is a right given in the constitution.


    See how much big protest for stopping Endowment grants to RSS

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  • Af,,, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    How some some to know whether he is dalit christian or original Normal Christians?

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  • Ronald D, Udupi

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    This kind of protest is good. As more and more communities push and protest for reservation, government is bound to reduce reservation. Government should reduce the education fees only for daliths, not securing the admission. Reservation should be strictly applicable for lower income group immaterial of cast and religion. Reservation should be provided under any criteria one time in their life time. While others struggle life time, daliths enjoy it all the time. It is a big discrimination to other citizens in general. If government reduced reservation step by step....within a decade India will be a developed country. I guess dalith leaders are no less than Kannada activists....most of them have gained wealth similar to politicians.....promising chunk of votes or money or favor in kind to each other! Common man is watching....time to show displeasure over both daliths urge for benefits and political appeasement in return!

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  • Jenifer, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Wealth of a citizen shall be assessed on the basis of his income. Now that Aadhar is linked and majority payment are made through PAN, including tax filing, the task is not impossible. After a BPL family attains a specific stage of income, his/her entitlement should be curbed step by step.

    For those who never made a development, never tried to come up in life, a length of time should be set, after which, they lose rights to reservations. We all came up a hard way, without support of the government. Its wrong to be making us responsible to pay for those lazy people !

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  • Declan, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Do not brand all Dalits as lazy people just because they receive reservation. Reservation was and is intended only to smoothen out social imbalances/inequalities of our society which still exist today. However, many misuse reservation causing heart ache for hard working people who have worked their way up in life on merit by toiling day and night. However, I wish to present the example of President Kovind who is a Dalit and at some stage of his education or work career may have been a beneficiary of Dalit reservation (file an RTI to confirm). It must be said here that all those who know him from his childhood and from his work career know him to be a hard working individual who struggled to come up in life.

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  • Gautam, Mangaluru

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Everyone's income and assets should be linked with Aadhar card and SC category facilities should be removed since this is high time after 70 years we still appease people with Quotas. Now country is almost digital and all the facilities should be given according to income. In every community there are low income people . There are rich in SC/St.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    I STRONGLY SUPPORT A BLACK DAY TO BE OBSERVED IN PROTEST FOR THE TREATMENT OF DALIT CHRISTIANS DISCRIMINATIONS OVER DALIT BUDDHISTS AND DALIT SIKHS.

    WHEN A DALIT CONVERTS HIS HEART TO SIKH AND BUDDHISTS THEIR DALIT STATUS NEVER CEASES.

    WHILE A DALIT CONVERTS HIS HEART TO CHRISTIANITY WHY THIS DERELICTION, DISCRIMINATION AND BIASE???!!!


    I PUT FORWARD MY DESIRES AND PETITION THAT A DALIT CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY SHOULD BE GIVEN DALIT STATUS WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION AND PREJUDICED.

    I QUOTE THE NEWS: It can be recalled that the constructional order 1950 was amended in 1956 to include the Sikhs and in 1990 to include the Buddhists. UNQUOTE.

    DURING THE TIME OF PRIME MINISTER P.V. NARSIMHA RAO, HE TRIED HIS BEST AND SENT THE BILL FOR SIGNATURE TO THE PRESIDENT WHICH WAS OBJECTED BY THE BRAHSTA JHOOT PARTY/BJP. HOWEVER THE PRESIDENT RETURNED BACK THE BILL STATING FURTHER DISCUSSIONS SHOULD BE CONDUCTED IN THE L.S. SINCE THEN DALIT CHRISTIANS STATUS REMAINED AS IT IS.

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  • sampath, India

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Instead of protesting best Idea would be arranging marriages between poor dalit Christians and upper cast rich Christians.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Dear Sampath,

    That is none of your business. First Marry your daughter to a Shivalli, the higher caste and see.
    Forget your daughter or sons marriage to a Shivalli, just have food with them you are treated as a second class citizen.

    Can a Brahmin marry a dalit son or a daughter???

    We have evidences dalit Christians are married with Christians.

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  • sampath, India

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    I have seen many christian girls married Brahmans and follow the hindu rituals with out any problem.
    It is good to hear that dalit Christians are marrying Christians.Just curious to know whether they will remain as dalit christian for ever or they get promoted as Christians?

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Dear sampath, India,

    We have many Brahmans and non Brahmans converted to Christianity and they are as good as we Christians following in the foot steps of Jesus.

    We have no rituals to follow.

    There is nothing calling dalit christian as a caste they are all Christians.

    WE ARE ASKING WHEN A DALIT CONVERTS TO BUDDHISM OR SIKHISM THE DALIT RESERVATIONS STATUS REMAINS AS IT IS EVEN AFTER CONVERTED TO THAT RELIGION.

    WHY IT IS DISCRIMINATED ONCE A DALIT CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY.

    THIS IS OUR DEMAND.

    YOU ARE MAKING THE READERS TO CONFUSE.

    WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT CONFUSED.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    My sole intention here is when there is a reservation to a Dalit Converted to Sikh has Sikh dalit status
    and a reservation to a Dalit Converted to Buddhism has Buddhist dalit status

    WHY THERE IS DISCRIMINATION TOWARDS A DALIT CONVERTED TO CHRISTIAN, THE DALIT CHRISTIAN STATUS IS NOT GIVEN???!!!

    IS IT NOT PREJEDUCED???!!!

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  • Suman, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    We Hindus trying very hard to drive out of this Dalith concept. But these people are in reverse gear !!.

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  • raj, mangaluru

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Hard work is the best medicine for all the problems. Work hard..Party hard....Don't depend anyone.

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  • hemanth, Bangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Read terms and condition before accepting....

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  • Declan, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Mahatma Gandhiji did not like Christians during his lifetime though he liked Christianity but BJP bhakts do not get so excited. Know this that Gandhiji neither liked right wing organisations and many of them too did not like him. RSS members are reported to have distributed sweets on hearing about his assasination. However, even if Gandhiji did not like Christians we love him and respect him even today and were he to be alive today we have complete faith that he would have fought till his last breath to defend our (Christians) constitutional rights as well as the constitutional rights of all other minorities and weaker sections of society. Jai Hind.

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  • Declan, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    @rolf , Dubai
    There is no use trying to make over smart comments. Respect all religions and do not try to indirectly ridicule any religion. Religion of humanity is common to all religions. Learn to practice that first. Anyway the answer to your question is anyone who accepts Lord Jesus Christ as God is a Christian whatever sect he may belong. God's goodness, love, forgiveness and mercy is for all mankind and not just Christians. Sects are man made and do not have any relevance as to how God looks at us. We are all his children and EQUAL in his eyes. Finally you may interpret the 'Word of God' (Bible) to suit your vested interests but it does change God's truth for the faithful. Many like you who have tried to ridicule Christianity and the Word of God have come and gone and instantly forgotten. By the way, if you can give sermons I too can
    Current Modi government is also trying to create more division between Shia and Sunni Muslims but dear PM people here can see through your actions and words. This is an obsolete game.

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  • Declan, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Correction :
    Finally you may interpret the 'Word of God' (Bible) to suit your vested interests but it does NOT change God's truth for the faithful.

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  • Cliffy, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    If Sikh and Buddhist Dalit are included in SC list, why not Christians. Well-done Mangaluru Diocesan Pastoral Parishad team.

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  • Jenifer, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Cliffy,

    There are two type of religious followers. (1) Who understand what is taught them hence adopt a lifestyle out of instincts and are called followers of a certain religion. (2) Those who march after the leader (just as ants do) to make a line longer. For the second lot, if the leader takes a turn, the followers turn, if he doesn't and goes straight, they continue straight. If one has guts to call a spade a spade, the leaders ignore them and continue marching ahead but if one has no self confidence, he is intimidated and made to do things that are willingly done otherwise.

    Let us take a latest trend, Cow. There are several Hindus who don't care whether one kills and consumes the meat but are made to follow the mainstream because of blackmailing/threats. Similarly, no matter how much we say that Christianity is a liberal lot, actually, there too is sabotage to some extent.

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  • Aravind, Blr

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Spot on! Finally got to see some balanced mature views on this forum rather than regular congress BJP mud slinging matches.

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  • Declan, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Yes, sabotage like how a political party uses Hindu religious sentiments of the majority community to get votes to come and stay in power. See any utter mockery of democracy there or afraid of backlash from BJP/RSS supporting trolls ? Detect any herd mentality there ?

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  • Declan, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    @Jenifer, Mangalore
    Your comment :
    "There are several Hindus who don't care whether one kills and consumes the meat but are made to follow the mainstream because of blackmailing/threats.".

    I would like to ask why ignore asking what about the Hindus who don't care whether a mob lynches and kills a human being for transporting cattle purely on suspicion ?
    Nothing balanced about your comments. Appeasement of the majority community is more like it.

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  • Jenifer, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Declan,

    Yours is nothing but a bad judgement. If I were to appease the majority community, I would not have asked to end reservations of all sorts. Please read my different comments before jumping to conclusion. You are right - lynching too is noteworthy, but then, what you are there for ? Please speak up ???

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  • Declan, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Jenifer, Mangalore

    Usually when I criticize BJP and their supporters it is termed as 'bad judgement'. LOL !

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  • Jenifer, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Declan,

    Why should I defend myself ? We as readers, comment what we feel right/wrong. Of-course with a big salute to DW to have granting this medium to us.

    Nevertheless, I disagreed with reservation when its given to lower strata of Hindu community, so am I opposing it when its demanded for converted Christians. To both sections, I said let them work hard, let the financially able support them, forfeit government grants. Where is BJP affiliation (or hatred for Christianity) in this ? Common, understand that the revenue reserved for the uplifting of people to no end, can be used in priority/vital projects !

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  • Declan, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Jenifer, Mangalore
    No problem at all if you have views opposing reservation across the board. However, one needs to be aware of how certain others view such comments. Anyone with a little IQ can see that there are some here who are taking advantage of them to mount an attack on Christians as a community itself and further taking advantage of the fact that one of their own is criticizing. No religious community is perfect with it's administration . There are some short comings with all but then there are some communals who are just looking for any dirt against another community which they can then leverage up with such comments. Appreciate that you have clarified that you did not intend to give a political/communal colour to them but sadly there are others who will use them to further a communal view which is anti Christian which is what I am opposed to.
    You are right, you do not need to defend yourself but then please understand that I too don't.

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  • Dr Mohan Prabhu, LL.D, QC, Mangalore (Kankanady)/Ottawa, Canada

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    First the constitutional practice of reservations must be eliminated. If the so-called Dalits are still facing discrimination despite all the posts in government, academic institutions, and everywhere else reserved to them to the extent of up to 40%, then it is a self perpetuating phenomena and will never be eliminated. Government of the day is pandering to the Dalits.
    Second, Dalits are lured into other faiths, especially Christianity and Islam on the basis and promise that there are and will be no caste distinctions and such distinctions are against their religion - Vicar General Moras, of all the people, should know that. Discriminations are practised by the "established" upper castes (especially by the lowest rung of the upper castes) - and that is a blot on the faith community; CONVERTS MUST PROTEST AGAINST THAT, not demand the same treatment as dalits who did not succumb to conversion. The current protest is misguided. .
    Thirdly, have not heard of dalits among Parsis. Parsis to my, knowledge, are endogamous - marrying within their own community, and when they convert to other religions, such as Christianity because they marry a person of that religion, they assume the so-called "caste" of the Christians (or other elitist religion such as Islam).

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  • Jenifer, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    I absolutely agree with Dr. Prabhu.

    We must call to end all reservations. Nothing is achieved by giving them reservation for generations and generations. If the father became a manager out of reservation in school, college and at job placement, why his children must be given the same privilege ? In the run, merited students were left behind either because they had no help/guidance to reach where should be for a particular job offer or they gave up out of frustration after denial for a specific quest despite scoring high marks.

    Stop all sort of reservations - we must have helped at-least three generations of same families since independence. Its time for them to give back what they have received than becoming lazy and continuing to demand to be looked after.

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  • RSRB, Kundapur/Singapur

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    In India, all want to prove they are backward.....:-)

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  • Ramesh S, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    ..Then what is the use of conversion If they labeled as Dalit Christians!! If he converts then how come he deserves quota!!What's happening in India God only knows.. I read that in Delhi university cut off marks for Some people in mathematics is Zero!!!Why can't SC interfere and stop this nonsense.

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  • MN, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Who made them Dalit Christians ? Who is ill treating them ? The protest is not convincing but misleading. Instead protest against those who are not allowing their right which was promised.

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  • Rnsn, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Stop all this new things in the name of religion. These are the reason for which the new communal disputes have arised in Mangalore these years, whereas before Mangalore was an example for communal unity. As Jesus has did come together to bring up the Last Least and the Lost. And then automatically everything will be fine.

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  • J.F.D SOUZA, Attavar, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Dalit or non dalit blood colour is same. Any dispute?

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  • Jenifer, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Before going about fighting for (government granted) reservation rights, please ask the entire flock to invite the converted lower caste members into the houses, share a meal, exchange in marriage sons/daughters and let the new members experience that there is no difference between them (among both sections).

    Next, use the resources available with the religious institutions to uplift these converted members above poverty line, educate them FOC and give them jobs on priority basis. Once this is done, no need to beg for reservation, grants, etc. Problem and solution is within you - either accept them and treat as yourself, or let them go back to their original faith.

    Making this type of show displays your inferior motives, an utter mockery !

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  • R. Fernandes, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Very true

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  • Santan Mascarenhas, Kinnigoli/Mumbai

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Jennifer

    I like your comments very much. But if the things were like your view, there was no necessity for this protest. I think, what Mahatma Gandhi said is right. "I love Christ, but, I hate Christians, because they don't really follow him".

    I think equality is only at death
    Where everyone gets 6' earth.

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  • Jenifer, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Mr. Mascarenhas,

    Announcement of such a protest was made but turnout appears to be a few nuns and clerical/teaching staff of pertinent institutions. By this very display you can understand how much adherence we give to Gandhiji's principles. Lets forget that - how many of us welcome converted lower strata members into our houses, prefer dining or fix alliance with them ? Gandiji's principles are broken there and then.

    Attending over loss of one's livelihood is different from a mass turnout at just a mention of the purpose.

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  • VALERIAN RODRIGUES, ujire

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    I AGREE WITH JANIFFER.I DONT SEE ANY PLANS IN THE CHURCH TO UPLIFT ANY LOWER POSITION PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.NO RESERVATION IN OUR INSTITUTIONS OR IN EDUCATION SEATS.FIRST DO IN THE OWN HOUSE TO WORK BETTER.AFTER ASK FROM OUTSIDE.

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  • RK, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    I am confused. ....

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Sit at home ...

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  • rolf, Duba

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Dear jossey when the last coming of Jesus Christ for which denomination he will represent..
    1, Dalit Christian.
    2, Catholic.
    3, Protestant.
    4. Joviyah witness .
    5, Lutherens.
    6, Born again Christian.
    7,Angilican.
    8. 7day advent
    Still go on and on really confused.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Dear rolf, Dubai,

    What you have specified are all Christians and all these are christian denominations. Not the castes. Marriages are taking place among all these denominations without any hassles.

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  • Declan, Mumbai

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    @Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Dear Joseph, don't worry, rolf's comments come from half baked knowledge about Christianity. Ignorance is dangerous but half knowledge is even more dangerous or it could just be that the Rumour Spreading Society is actively at work.

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  • SB, Mlore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    How is Dalit Christian s different from Non Dalit Christian s ! Can some one explain !! Till now I thought the word Dalit was used to target only one community labellit it as castist.

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  • A.S. Mathew, U.S.

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    How the Dalit Jains and Buddhists can be defined? This is a deliberate discrimination towards two religions, since one came from Jerusalem to India two thousand years back and the other religion came from Saudi Arabia region to India in 600 AD.

    But the other religions were having their native birth, so they are taken care. Does it take the brain of a rocket scientist to understand the logic? Pure religious discrimination!

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  • Aravind, Blr

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Hilarious stuff. Nothing to do with where the religion came from. In Christianity there is no caste system. What is the meaning of dalit Christian.

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  • KUMAR, KINNIGOLI

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    ONCE A DALIT IS CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY, HE WILL BECOME A CHRISTIAN = DO NOT CALL HIM AGAIN DALIT. LIKE THERE NO BRAHMAN CHRISTIAN, GOWDA CHRISTIAN. IF POSSIBLE HELP THEM, NOT POSSIBLE AT LEAST RESPECT THEM.

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Make entire India Dalit ...

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  • neil, uk

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Honestly, can someone tell me what is "Dalit Christians"???
    The followers of Jesus are all equal... Isn`t it???
    The evil of casteism is in Hindus, if Iam not mistaken.
    Strange world

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  • A. S. Mathew, U.S.

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Here is the question of pushing them out from financial help. Your logic is totally hard to understand.

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  • rolf, Dubai

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Dear nil. Dalit Christian are one who converted to Christianity from Dalit. Please visit there is a place in manjeshwer in kerala karnataka border where these people are not even have right to enter churches. see by your self. Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." -

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  • Rajesh, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Dalith Christian? so far we ere told there is no casteeism in faith/

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  • Shankar, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Christians in Mangalore are generally considered to be educated and are known to be practical in thinking.
    I see two contradictory actions in the recent times, including the one reported here.
    Due to so called suppression and a 'dalith' tag, the daliths get converted to Christianity. If they still want the same tag attached and still need the government freebies and reservations, why the hell they convert?
    How fair is it from the religious leaders pressurize the govt for these unjustifiable demands??

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  • Swamy, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    This caste system is causing the same problems and hurdles as religion issues and should be eradicated and nobody should be labelled as SC/BC. Make provisions and reservations on the basis of income and poverty level.

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  • sri_elder, Karkala

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Dalit's are the people who are social and economically backward.
    They are usually involved in hunting and fishing..etc...
    Christians are actually upper caste people both socially and economically...
    So please do not go backward...

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  • A.S. Mathew, U.S.

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    True that the Missionary Organisations like Salvation Army-Church Missionary Society-London Missionary Society-Moravians-Catholic Missionary Organizations etc took the initiative to educate the down trodden Dalits, and many of them are leading economically good life.

    But the issues here is this, when the Dalits who are of the Hindu faith, if they are converting to Christian faith, their economic helps by the Government is taken away. Is that rational? Thus, the Government is enforcing Hinduism upon the Dalits through monetary strings.

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  • Suman, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Mathew is there any dalith concept in Christianity ?

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  • mahesh, Mangalore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    when a dalit is converted ,he looses all the status in the earlier religion.
    Thats the whole point of conversion ,isnt it?
    so now you want to be a christian in religion, but dalit when it comes to goodies from government?
    You cant have it all.

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  • Kishore, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    They left thier faith thinking that they will be treated equally...

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  • A.S. Mathew, U.S.

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    The Indian constitution was deliberately discriminating two of the religious believers, both the Christians and Muslims. If the Hindus are converting to any of those religions, their Dalit status was instantly elevated to a high caste. How the instant caste elevation can be taken place when religious faith is changed?

    It is quite an open truth that the Government was behind the Hindu religion to block the conversion of the Dalits to other religions to escape their oppression from the high caste; also to block their avenues to education and better prospect of life. This is a national disgrace.

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  • JayaPrakash Shetty, India

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    So if they have escaped their oppression by converting why do they need reservation?

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  • A. S. Mathew, U.S.

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    And so, you want to keep them for ever in oppression through using the monetary string?

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  • Virendra S, Bajpe

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    Matthew Anna .. The main reason they converted to Christianity was to get out of oppression. So what happened? Why does the church and the christian community not help them since now they are considered upper caste Christians.

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  • Nagaraj, Banglore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    I thought there is no cast system in Catholic Religion. Now who are Dalit Christians ?

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  • Nishu Sousa, Kasaragod

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    I'm a bit saddened with this term called 'Dalit Christians'. Division is not good. It's better only to have one term called 'Christians'. No need to include in SC and isolating them. If we all come together and work for each other, we can solve the problems of struggling people.

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  • Shetty, Mangalore

    Thu, Aug 10 2017

    Jesus said "All are one"..... What is this Dalit Christian ??

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  • Nayak, Udupi/Blore

    Fri, Aug 11 2017

    U R right, all are one but treatment is different

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